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this hope radios for the masses Atlanta

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between July 3 1947 the Army Air Forces

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has announced that a flying death has

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been found under now in the possession

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of the RA the gaming rig changed the

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game changer I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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I need your help to get me

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Jimmy judge on the game changing Network

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good evening fade to black

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this spoke radio for da message good

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evening all right how you doing today's

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Thursday August 22nd 2019 233 days into

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the new year just 132 days left we are

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live from a bunker

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from bunker simmer in the middle of

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beautiful downtown Burbank California

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around

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all across the United States hither and

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and near this is fade to black for Katy

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are eggs of planet America Church what

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is crackin been waiting for tonight's

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because tonight we are going to discuss

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the new documentary the new film it is

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called extraordinary the seating we've

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got director John simple actually John

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is live with us from Peru tonight how

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cool is that and writer Jack Roth will

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also be here we're gonna discuss the

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making of the film I have I've seen it

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two and a half times yeah two and a half

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times it is pretty good it's a pretty

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good it's amazing so we're gonna discuss

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the impact of this film because there is

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going to be a lot of that the impact on

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audiences worldwide when they see a film

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like this for most I'm gonna talk about

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this in a minute for most out there they

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may have heard about alien abductions

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you know along you know I'd say the

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majority of the planet has heard of

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these things you know but it gets

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dismissed and and that's fine people

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move on but to see this film and the way

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that they have put the the experiencers

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together to discuss it also those that

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have been studying the phenomena will go

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through all of that tonight in the way

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that it is done it's an eye-opener and

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it's a film that had to have eventually

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been made well it is here and tonight

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both John and Jack and and and myself

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are going to discuss every angle

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this of this potential program that that

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all right welcome back fade to black I

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am your host Jimmy Church tonight it is

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extraordinary the seating what a great

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week on the show the film

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it's about abductions reproduction

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experiments memories of seeing children

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off planet our aliens evolved in a

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complex hybridization project where

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humans are used to cultivate a hybrid

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population through analysis with global

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ufology experts extraordinary the

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seeding explores hybridization why it's

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happening and the impact on humanity

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tonight the director of extraordinary

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this heating John simple is here it live

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from Peru and writer Jack Roth joins us

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from Florida and we're gonna discuss the

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making of the film and its possible

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impact on audiences worldwide and let's

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bring in John first John are you there

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Oh John is dead in Peru John are you

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there let's bring in Jack Jack are you

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I'm here I am okay oh we got John John

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did good evening gentlemen how are you

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doing great thanks okay yeah see one of

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you is gonna stand in the corner that

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was test number one now let's do this

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first you guys get the first-time guests

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disclaimer okay are you ready which is

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it's just the three of us sitting on my

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couch having a conversation as friends

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and where that conversation starts it

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starts where it ends it ends but we're

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gonna end as friends

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there you go it's a tradition that goes

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back years and if I didn't do it the

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first time guessed disclaimer Twitter

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lights up and then I'm forced into doing

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it after the break and embarrassing

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myself but there you go welcome to the

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program and thank you for rescheduling

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from last week and it that was the first

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time that had ever happened in the

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history of this show and I just couldn't

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figure out a way to sit in the chair for

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three hours and it just wasn't gonna

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happen but we did it tonight so well

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come and let's actually get started I

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want to do this first John you're down

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in Peru are you researching or you just

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vacationing no my wife and I are on an

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open-ended travel journey and so we left

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the state's a little over a year ago on

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August 1st of last year and it's just an

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open-ended travel journey we both work

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remotely are paying jobs so to speak

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right allow us the ability to as long as

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there's Wi-Fi we can be there we made

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the decision because we crunch some

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numbers and realize that was more

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expensive to live in Seattle than it was

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to do what we're doing now so we made

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the jump Rita did you hear that it's

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time to time to sell the house we can

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live remotely and and do the show from

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around the world wow that would be cool

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that would be cool and Jack you're out

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you're out in Florida so you are an East

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Coaster I am and the two of you getting

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this film together did John is working

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remotely how did how do you pull that

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off is it is it because of the

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convenience of email and transferring

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files or did you guys actually get

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together and work face-to-face

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in-country we most of this is done

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remotely we get together Jack and I

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spent an awful lot of time on the phone

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after our team helps call all the

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opportunities for us to screen so I've

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been asked and I would have done this

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anyway to give a shout out to the other

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Jay Jaime Serna other producer Jack

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Jaime and I found it

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Jay three films back in 2011 right and

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we're the producers and founders and

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Lori Wagner is also one of our producers

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and without the four of us Jay three

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films really wouldn't be able to do what

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it does but also big shout out to our

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editor Patrick Loman teeny director of

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photography ray Serna there's a whole

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bunch of other people who are involved

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behind the scenes that are huge

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poor to us but it is a virtual business

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more or less Jaime's in New Jersey

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Laura's in LA in South America Jackson

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Orlando Patrick's in LA area and raised

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in Costa Rica so we come together when

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it comes time to do the production and

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then we go our separate ways

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in all the other commission

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communication after that is done through

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you name it for whatever time it takes

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to get it together but there's a ton of

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communication you know we might as well

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we might as well be together because

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we're always communicating with each

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other one of the things that I enjoy

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about film first off I live in Hollywood

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right so I'm in the middle of the the

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film world but I look at editing when I

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watch a film I look at the aesthetics

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the cinematography the graphics the

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artwork the titling you know I look at

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all of that too to appreciate or not

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appreciate how well a film is is put

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together because that says a lot about

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the team with a subject matter like this

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while we're discussing the hybridization

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of the human race you need to do exactly

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what I see in this film which is have

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extraordinary editing a world-class

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production the titling the imaging the

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artwork of course the cast but today you

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have to be really good to compete but

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this is a world-class film it's one of a

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lot of awards and and things but who

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calls the shots on that because the

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design of the film is is really really

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good it's it's we're lucky we're lucky

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in that we have just a great team and

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what part of this two is John and I have

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known each other for over 20 years and

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we've been kind of dabbling in this for

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a long time certainly talking about it

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for a very long time

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and between who he knows and who I know

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we've been able to put this incredible

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team together and another quick shout

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out Joe Mande is the the one who did all

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those illustrations he's a phenomenal

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illustrator and the someone I've known

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for over 20 years so it's what we do is

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what usually happens is John and I have

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discussions and we we kind of take a

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deep dive into some subject matter and

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we figure out what's the story we really

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want to tell and once we decide on what

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the story is we then we all wear our

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different hats at that point and we make

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it happen

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I've always known them from the day I

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met John he was always he was directing

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corporate videos and he always had that

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directors eye and I was always more of a

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producer and a writer so you know

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together we make a really good we cover

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a lot of a lot of ground and then the

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other people we bring in and we have

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been able to bring in are just really

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good at what they do

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because you know these things aren't

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huge budgets as you know I mean we don't

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have millions and millions of dollars so

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we got a we got to make the best with

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you know what we have as far as

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financially goes so but we've been lucky

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and and I think a big part of that is we

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just we've known each other a really

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long time and we know we kind of know

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how each other think well and okay so

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who who put this on the table and the

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reason why I asked because this this can

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be approached one of two ways first off

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a very touchy subject that's that's

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that's the first thing the second thing

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is you can go on the light side of this

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and still make a good film or you can go

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to where this film needs to go but can

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be shocking at points if in fact it's

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shocking all the way through the film so

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whose idea was it and then second who

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put it on the table and then who pushed

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it to

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into the direction of we're not gonna

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hold back well I'll give Jack a lot of

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credit for the you know what was put on

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the table because when we made our first

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film extraordinary The Stand romantic

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story he said you know even though we're

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focusing a lot on you know Stan and the

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evidence in his store because it's

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important to get it out there so that

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people can see that you know the

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compendium of evidence that he had

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accumulated over the years but he said

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this is all about the kids this is all

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about the children and he said that you

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know when we moved to the next story we

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need to make sure that we go deeper into

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the children so that was that was a

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driving force for the second film

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because we had heard stories about this

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back in 2011 2012 and we kind of threw

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around like yeah this would be something

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that we should look into we talked about

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doing you know putting together a

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concept for a TV show where you explored

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for half an hour one person story than a

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half an hour another person's story

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about unexplained pregnancies and what

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they had gone through and we eventually

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you know migrated to the documentary

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film and we were asked by the orchard

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now tending 1091 media to do as a

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follow-up to the first film and I did

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want to say one thing in regards to the

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the production values our budget for the

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first film was very low-budget majority

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of the editing was the storytelling was

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done by me and I'm not an editor by

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trade but this film is light years ahead

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of where the first film was and that a

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lot of that has to do with Patrick

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LaMontagne II the editor Patrick and I

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spend a lot of time on the phone talking

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about the the style you know of the film

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and you know once we we we got that

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groove it just kind of took off from

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there and and it he just did all the

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polishing and made it look fantastic the

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musical score from Anton Pat's nur is

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phenomenal it's wall-to-wall sound he

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scored the entire thing as Jack

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mentioned Joe man Diaz illustrations you

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know came to life and gave the film

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another element of authenticity and and

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value so it really was we wanted to

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raise the bar we said we

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our budget for the second film was more

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than double what it was for the first

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film and it shows not that it's a lot

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it's still a small budget and that

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another shout-out to the people that we

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work with they're passionate about you

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know what we're doing and they're

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willing to do things at a at a at a

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steep discount if you were to look at

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the you know industry standard so we're

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really proud of the team as Jack

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mentioned but when what really changed I

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think as far as the story is concerned

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for me personally because after the

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first film was made I was like I don't

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know if I ever want to do another film

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in this genre because is is this how I

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want to be known you know I really

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thought that the first one would get my

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foot in the door this is my selfish

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point of view is that I would be able to

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work on other things too but when the

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the opportunity to do a second one came

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in we said okay let's move forward with

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this here's the story we want to tell

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Jack and I spend a ton of time on the

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front end you know developing the the

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storyline based on the people that we

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talk to but when we're doing the

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interviews is really where I felt the

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transformational moment because I

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realized and talking to the individuals

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that their stories were more important

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than the phenomena the reaction to the

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humanity was what this story needed to

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be about and we talked about it you know

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after we're done with the the shoot and

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finished our production in LA back last

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spring and it was very apparent and I

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was just like yeah this is what we have

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to do we were all 100% in agreement that

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we're moving into more of an emotional

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human story than we were about the

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phenomena itself so it was it was Jack

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that put and put the idea out there

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first yeah because he he was adamant as

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a pertain to stands and not that anybody

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disagreed with them but you know he made

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it very clear that this is this is the

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basic story you boil it down to this is

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what it is it's about the next

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generation and what is that next

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generation these children play a key

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role in to where we go from here as

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humanity certain as a cosmic you know

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beings yeah

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and and John your your knowledge of the

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subject about et hybridization and

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seeding your knowledge of that subject

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going into it was it one spot what did

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you learn as the movie started to to to

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you know get together that you didn't

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know before you know those life-changing

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things what did you find out well I

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would say that you know another thing

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that is important to this too is that

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Jack does it had had done a lot of

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research so when he first came to me and

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in 2009 and said we let's do it let's do

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a documentary film you know we were

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originally going to do something we were

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going to travel around the southwest and

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go to different locations and talk to

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the people in those areas to get their

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perspective of what happened and then it

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then the the romantic story came up and

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that put us you know square one with

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that stories like this is where we can

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this is a great jumping-off point so at

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that point in time I was not a deep dive

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person in ufology I was a believer I had

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three sightings when I was a kid so this

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was never an issue for me but I was not

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someone who was steeped in the research

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side Jack had done a lot of research

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over the years from his childhood all

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the way up to when we were talking about

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doing a documentary film but for me

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where I think this has been a good thing

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is because our are one of our tenants

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for j:3 films is that we want to make

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films that reach the masses we don't

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want to just target a demographic that

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already believes because that's that

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that there's no value there from trying

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to raise you know people's awareness to

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something that may be happening right so

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we wanted to reach the widest audience

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possible so we said how are we going to

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do that so let's keep it the stories

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about you know in the questions about

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the things that people who were not well

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versed would ask the things that they

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would want to know so I have I've kind

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of walked white circles around getting

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into the deep side so that I do have

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that sense of curiosity and wonder of

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somebody who doesn't really understand

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all of it so I've learned a heck of a

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lot in the last

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ten years for sure but I would say the

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transformational thing for me was that I

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have never spent as much time with

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multiple individuals who had shared

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deeply disturbing emotional and I would

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say to a certain extent physiological

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and psychological impacts and I had no

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idea sorry there my mic just fell and I

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had no idea that they these stories were

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that that impactful PTSD you know things

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that had happened to people years ago

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they still wonder about and are still

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disturbed about they're still shaken by

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these things so I spent a lot of time my

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story and I'm sure Jack Jack's is very

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similar is that you know when you hear

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it from someone who's been through it

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you're faced with that that in that

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moment is do I believe them or do I not

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and I would say that during the making

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of this film I got no reason to not

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believe every single time I spoke with

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somebody I truly believed that they were

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telling me the truth and part of that is

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that we spend so much time vetting them

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on phone calls numerous hours of phone

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calls for each person that's in the film

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and then you know when we sat down and

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interviewed them it was an error from

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two three hours to eight nine hours for

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the individuals that were in the film so

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yeah it was an eye-opening thing for me

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to truly see that emotional impact up

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front and center and and Jack as the

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writer of the film and and and through

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your research I have I have noticed a

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change in the way that abductions and

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things were were discussed very openly

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in the 50s you know and in the 60s and

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Betty and Barney Hill they went through

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their trials and and and their dark

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periods but the world was discussing it

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they made a film right and you know

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going into the 70s we had lots of

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abductions it was covered and of course

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you know Travis Walton and and and so

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many others but here we are in 2019

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where it is probably discuss less today

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where we have such an open society that

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just seems like everything gets

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discussed so as the writer now that's

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your challenge right how to how to get

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people to start discussing this film and

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and and you need to approach it from

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that way I would assume that was a

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concern well it's a social taboo and I

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think that the the mainstream media and

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whoever's pulling the strings has done a

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great job of making it a taboo subject

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and they've made it extremely difficult

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for people to come forward and say hey I

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was abducted by ETS it's almost

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impossible for people to do that and you

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know yes and I'm glad you bring up Betty

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and Barney Hill because that's what I

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remember growing up and that was the one

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case when I heard about that that really

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got me into this mm-hm and that's when I

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started the deep dive because I was

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absolutely fascinated by that story but

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it took so much courage for them to come

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out and and and you know he was a

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bi-racial couple who you know was in a

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very conservative environment back then

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and they came out and said this happened

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to us and that took an enormous amount

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of bravery and but yeah I think that

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nothing's really improved and I think

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when we first sat down with this we

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realized that people were going to

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either they were gonna feel comfortable

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about talking about it or they weren't

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and some were going to be on the fence

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and that's where John and I with the

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help of our other producers were getting

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we were putting people together and

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getting them on the phone and just

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talking to them having a kind of

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conversation we're having right now and

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literally we'd say the same kind of

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thing that you said at the beginning of

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the show it's funny it's like look we're

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just chatting here pretend we're in a

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bar having a beer pretend we're in our

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living room on the couch just talking

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just sitting there having a conversation

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and when people open up about this it is

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it's extremely

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for them especially the ones that never

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have told their story too much before

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leading up to it and I have to say you

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know we spoke to dozens and dozens of

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people we vetted them just to make sure

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that their stories were sound and they

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were credible and etc but for every one

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of the people you see in the film and a

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lot of the others that spoke to us and

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for whatever reason didn't wind up in

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the film it takes I there is nothing

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good that comes out of coming forward

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and saying that you are an experiencer

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except for the fact that you're helping

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other experiencers you're helping other

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people who have had these same

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experiences have a group have that

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people that they can connect to people

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that they can relate to that means

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that's a that means a lot to them so you

544
00:25:16,669 --> 00:25:14,249
know yes it was a process and John and I

545
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:16,679
knew that but we just have to talk to

546
00:25:19,940 --> 00:25:18,450
these people see how they feel about it

547
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:19,950
but you know what's funny a lot of

548
00:25:26,419 --> 00:25:23,369
people feel like they're tired of it

549
00:25:27,049 --> 00:25:26,429
they're tired of not being able to talk

550
00:25:29,060 --> 00:25:27,059
about it

551
00:25:32,509 --> 00:25:29,070
hey guys tired hey guys I'm gonna I'm

552
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:32,519
gonna interrupt guess who just called me

553
00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:35,460
on the phone I've got him on speaker Jim

554
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:40,549
Martin no way hey Jim

555
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:43,919
say hi to John sample and Jack Roth

556
00:25:48,210 --> 00:25:55,659
[Laughter]

557
00:26:01,039 --> 00:25:58,159
yeah well you're live on the air now

558
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:01,049
we're talking about your new film and

559
00:26:13,879 --> 00:26:10,860
and and and congratulations with that

560
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:13,889
now that I just totally threw Jim under

561
00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:16,129
the bus he had no idea guys this is fun

562
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:19,710
hey Jim I'll have I'll have my people

563
00:26:31,820 --> 00:26:28,690
[Laughter]

564
00:26:34,570 --> 00:26:31,830
that's Jim Martin the vice president of

565
00:26:38,050 --> 00:26:34,580
a 1091 films formerly the orchard and

566
00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:38,060
you're your distributor he's a great guy

567
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:40,980
we have to give a big shout-out to him

568
00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:44,850
too because you know the the short story

569
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:47,220
of our journey to being on the phone

570
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:49,410
with you tonight was that we made the

571
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:51,930
film about Stan we debuted at a film

572
00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:56,570
festival in 2013 February 23rd or

573
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:59,640
November of 2013 and then by February of

574
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:00,720
2014

575
00:27:05,810 --> 00:27:03,240
Stan had flipped the pen cap with Peter

576
00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:05,820
Maxwell Slattery and was had to his rest

577
00:27:10,220 --> 00:27:08,460
which basically we felt killed our film

578
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:10,230
and the timing couldn't have been worse

579
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:11,640
for us so we had to go through a self

580
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:13,650
distribution as opposed to finding you

581
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:16,140
know a traditional distribution but

582
00:27:21,770 --> 00:27:18,690
three years later out of the blue I get

583
00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:21,780
a phone call from Jim saying hey I I saw

584
00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:23,820
your film I've been a big fan of it

585
00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:26,220
we'd love to we'd love to distribute it

586
00:27:31,790 --> 00:27:29,640
and it was like huh what you know what

587
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:31,800
let me tell you what's cool about Jim

588
00:27:37,790 --> 00:27:34,410
and since he's not listening let me tell

589
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:37,800
you what that and infer for this

590
00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:40,410
audience to understand we're talking

591
00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:43,260
about the head of a major film company

592
00:27:51,890 --> 00:27:47,220
number one right that is taking chances

593
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:51,900
on getting vision out there and he

594
00:27:57,650 --> 00:27:53,970
believes in this community but that guy

595
00:28:01,490 --> 00:27:57,660
Jim he goes to all the conferences he

596
00:28:04,820 --> 00:28:01,500
loki's it he's walking around listening

597
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:04,830
to all kinds of presenters he's not

598
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:06,810
acting like you know he's not pulling up

599
00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:09,720
in a Lamborghini and and playing that

600
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:11,820
Hollywood part and I made him one time

601
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:13,710
during the conversation and just talked

602
00:28:19,610 --> 00:28:16,310
to me like a Hollywood studio head once

603
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:19,620
you know let me make sure because you're

604
00:28:24,890 --> 00:28:21,960
not that guy you're one of us and he

605
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:24,900
said I am and and I got to give him mad

606
00:28:30,050 --> 00:28:28,110
props he knows a lot about the subject

607
00:28:33,650 --> 00:28:30,060
and there's nothing that you can't talk

608
00:28:35,270 --> 00:28:33,660
to him about that he he you know he not

609
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:35,280
only would get behind it and support it

610
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:38,010
it's that he's one of us and that's rare

611
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:40,570
in Hollywood yeah he's passionate for

612
00:28:47,129 --> 00:28:43,690
and we found that out very quickly that

613
00:28:49,499 --> 00:28:47,139
he supported the genre and has had

614
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:49,509
success with it within you know it's a

615
00:28:56,430 --> 00:28:53,440
little niche within 1091 media and he's

616
00:28:59,220 --> 00:28:56,440
been able to make it work and has found

617
00:29:00,779 --> 00:28:59,230
the right audiences and you know it has

618
00:29:02,570 --> 00:29:00,789
been really good you know one of the

619
00:29:06,499 --> 00:29:02,580
things we were ready to strangle him

620
00:29:08,820 --> 00:29:06,509
last January this past January because

621
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,830
we had originally talked about having

622
00:29:12,509 --> 00:29:10,240
the film release in November of last

623
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:12,519
year but we pushed that out last summer

624
00:29:15,419 --> 00:29:13,840
we knew that we're gonna push it out

625
00:29:17,850 --> 00:29:15,429
then it was going to be in February and

626
00:29:19,740 --> 00:29:17,860
then it pushed from February to June and

627
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,750
then from June to now and we were like

628
00:29:24,299 --> 00:29:22,000
can we get this thing out already we're

629
00:29:26,730 --> 00:29:24,309
ready to go but he said the longer ramp

630
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:26,740
you have the better time it will be for

631
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:28,809
people to hear your story and he was

632
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:31,450
right he's absolutely right what is what

633
00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:33,850
is the official release date it is

634
00:29:40,889 --> 00:29:36,220
September 3rd it's less than two weeks

635
00:29:43,499 --> 00:29:40,899
at so that's the the Tuesday morning

636
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:43,509
after Labor Day weekend so stay up after

637
00:29:48,570 --> 00:29:46,690
your long weekend at 3 a.m. on the

638
00:29:50,999 --> 00:29:48,580
morning of the 3rd the film will be

639
00:29:52,889 --> 00:29:51,009
available on digital networks there you

640
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:52,899
go now we need to take a break right

641
00:29:58,460 --> 00:29:55,570
here and when we come back I'm gonna set

642
00:30:01,649 --> 00:29:58,470
you up the both of you for the return

643
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:01,659
what do you think I'm gonna I'm gonna

644
00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:04,480
ask John this first but Jack I will give

645
00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:05,950
you an opportunity to jump in we have

646
00:30:12,539 --> 00:30:08,830
three minutes John what do you think the

647
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:12,549
reaction is going to be from outside of

648
00:30:17,490 --> 00:30:14,820
this community are you prepared for that

649
00:30:18,690 --> 00:30:17,500
yeah I think it's gonna be you know the

650
00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:18,700
people who don't believe won't believe

651
00:30:22,409 --> 00:30:20,289
and that's fine and we're not looking to

652
00:30:25,049 --> 00:30:22,419
convert anybody but the people who have

653
00:30:27,749 --> 00:30:25,059
not given much thought to this when they

654
00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:27,759
see something that is this you know I'd

655
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,350
only say it's an emotional film but it

656
00:30:33,749 --> 00:30:31,600
connects with you emotionally so I think

657
00:30:34,919 --> 00:30:33,759
there there will be a lot of people who

658
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:34,929
never really given a lot of thought to

659
00:30:40,889 --> 00:30:39,039
this who will say wow I need to I need

660
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:40,899
to look into this a little bit more and

661
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:43,840
and Jack what what do you think the

662
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:46,450
reaction is going to be outside of the

663
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:49,090
community yeah absolutely I think that

664
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:50,559
you know the bunkers will always be two

665
00:30:53,610 --> 00:30:51,970
bunkers but I think the people in the

666
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:53,620
middle the bell curve are going to

667
00:30:58,779 --> 00:30:54,080
hopeful

668
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,789
we look at it watch it and say wow okay

669
00:31:02,529 --> 00:31:00,799
I did not know that you know what I

670
00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:02,539
might have to look this I might have to

671
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:04,190
do my own research and find out more

672
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,890
that would be perfect let's uh let's

673
00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:08,720
take our break right here great start to

674
00:31:12,850 --> 00:31:10,700
the show this is fade to black

675
00:31:15,130 --> 00:31:12,860
our guest tonight John simple and Jack

676
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:15,140
Roth the director and writer of the new

677
00:31:20,049 --> 00:31:17,690
film extraordinary the seedings

678
00:31:21,789 --> 00:31:20,059
releasing in two weeks on September 3rd

679
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:21,799
we'll be right back after this short

680
00:31:25,270 --> 00:31:23,330
break I'm yours to be church this is

681
00:31:45,630 --> 00:31:25,280
fade to black stay with us

682
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:45,640
[Music]

683
00:31:51,490 --> 00:31:48,530
welcome back fade to black I am your

684
00:31:53,530 --> 00:31:51,500
host Jimmy Church tonight the director

685
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:53,540
of extraordinary the seating John supple

686
00:31:59,470 --> 00:31:55,610
is here and the writer Jack Roth are

687
00:32:04,690 --> 00:31:59,480
both joining us discussing this new film

688
00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:04,700
and I I kind of want to go here there's

689
00:32:09,490 --> 00:32:06,230
so many different directions we can go

690
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,500
in right now but I would like to break

691
00:32:16,690 --> 00:32:11,360
down a couple of pretty sensitive

692
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:16,700
subjects that don't really get discussed

693
00:32:22,030 --> 00:32:19,910
and the reason why is because it's it's

694
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:22,040
it's sensitive and most people don't

695
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:24,490
discuss these parts of their lives

696
00:32:33,250 --> 00:32:30,650
when et is not involved let alone you

697
00:32:37,210 --> 00:32:33,260
bring in abductions and et into this

698
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,220
kind of subject matter it's it's it's

699
00:32:44,590 --> 00:32:39,440
very sensitive and it's shocking it's

700
00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:44,600
shocking but I want to specifically talk

701
00:32:59,470 --> 00:32:56,130
either one well we found her we met her

702
00:33:01,810 --> 00:32:59,480
through when we were doing research and

703
00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:01,820
working on the Stan Romanick story and

704
00:33:08,170 --> 00:33:05,510
we had met her in an event and we had

705
00:33:11,260 --> 00:33:08,180
heard about her and a little bit about

706
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:11,270
her story and we were at an event where

707
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:14,000
Stan was actually doing a speaking at

708
00:33:17,710 --> 00:33:15,530
and we were all there and we finally

709
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:17,720
wheezed we met Sierra and I remember we

710
00:33:22,450 --> 00:33:20,480
had a break and we went outside and John

711
00:33:26,770 --> 00:33:22,460
Sierra and I sat there and started

712
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:26,780
talking and it was her story you you

713
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:30,080
your jaw hits the ground when she tells

714
00:33:38,530 --> 00:33:34,480
her story and she's an amazing person

715
00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:38,540
and it was just we it the the profound

716
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:41,230
emotional impact that had on John and I

717
00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:43,310
we couldn't believe it and we're like

718
00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:45,140
you know what we need somehow we need to

719
00:33:49,690 --> 00:33:47,870
tell your story this needs to more

720
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:49,700
people need to know about your story yes

721
00:33:56,940 --> 00:33:51,970
she's a she's an incredible person and

722
00:34:00,490 --> 00:33:56,950
her her life is

723
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:00,500
extremely unique and something that I've

724
00:34:08,619 --> 00:34:03,200
never I've never heard of before was it

725
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:08,629
difficult for not only her but for you

726
00:34:14,859 --> 00:34:11,919
guys to start to discuss whoa okay well

727
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:14,869
who is she and and her background

728
00:34:22,059 --> 00:34:17,599
there's a reason why it is an incredible

729
00:34:24,819 --> 00:34:22,069
story well I mean her I mean we we

730
00:34:27,069 --> 00:34:24,829
didn't go too deeply into the individual

731
00:34:29,889 --> 00:34:27,079
stores because we would have need to do

732
00:34:31,389 --> 00:34:29,899
it you know have done a series but you

733
00:34:32,919 --> 00:34:31,399
know her story she has a military

734
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:32,929
background

735
00:34:40,030 --> 00:34:36,800
she had abduction an abduction

736
00:34:42,099 --> 00:34:40,040
experience after she was no longer in

737
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:42,109
the military but still do it in I guess

738
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:47,089
in reserve duty and she's a lifelong

739
00:34:52,180 --> 00:34:49,210
lesbian has never been with a man before

740
00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:52,190
she had a very vivid abduction

741
00:34:56,379 --> 00:34:54,470
experience one night where you know she

742
00:34:59,170 --> 00:34:56,389
tells the story but one of the things

743
00:35:01,780 --> 00:34:59,180
that's interesting to me in and all of

744
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:01,790
us too is that every time you hear her

745
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:05,210
tell her story nothing changes so to me

746
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,650
that's kind of like an indication that

747
00:35:11,770 --> 00:35:08,240
when you hear the same thing over and

748
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:11,780
over and the story is you know to a tee

749
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:13,609
the same thing every single time there's

750
00:35:17,710 --> 00:35:16,010
a there's a lot of truth that's that

751
00:35:18,970 --> 00:35:17,720
comes from that when you hear people

752
00:35:21,069 --> 00:35:18,980
tell stories and it's a little bit

753
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:21,079
different every single time you start to

754
00:35:25,329 --> 00:35:22,490
wonder you know is there some

755
00:35:27,849 --> 00:35:25,339
fabrication or embellishment to it but

756
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:27,859
she never we heard her story told on

757
00:35:32,319 --> 00:35:30,079
three different occasions over the

758
00:35:35,050 --> 00:35:32,329
course of two different years in three

759
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:35,060
different meetings with her talking

760
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,650
first with us and then with other people

761
00:35:41,170 --> 00:35:38,720
and you know nothing really changed with

762
00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:41,180
that but you know long story short she's

763
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:44,150
you know with in bed going to bed at

764
00:35:48,579 --> 00:35:46,970
night and her girlfriend she says

765
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:48,589
usually got up in the middle of the

766
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,730
night and it said it used to really

767
00:35:53,470 --> 00:35:51,440
aggravate her because she would go into

768
00:35:55,809 --> 00:35:53,480
the bathroom flip the light switch on

769
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:55,819
leave the light on and then close the

770
00:36:00,309 --> 00:35:57,890
door so she was like why can't she go in

771
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:00,319
there shut the door then turn the light

772
00:36:04,990 --> 00:36:02,690
on so she said that was a pet peeve of

773
00:36:06,970 --> 00:36:05,000
hers but this night she went in she shut

774
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:06,980
the door turn the light off

775
00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:09,730
and or turn the light on in

776
00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:11,590
ciara saw something at the foot of her

777
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:14,020
bed and then there was an experience

778
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:15,609
where she felt like her body was being

779
00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:19,810
scanned and she said that eventually she

780
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:21,100
looked at the clock and it was a couple

781
00:36:26,490 --> 00:36:24,250
of hours later and her girlfriend came

782
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:26,500
back into bed and said you know my ass

783
00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:28,000
is sore I've been sitting on the toilet

784
00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:30,180
it seems like I've been in here forever

785
00:36:34,349 --> 00:36:32,710
she the next morning they had a guest

786
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:34,359
that had been staying with them and they

787
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:35,920
said that the guests that I heard some

788
00:36:40,349 --> 00:36:37,570
noises and I can't wait to go up and

789
00:36:41,550 --> 00:36:40,359
knock on your door and the next thing I

790
00:36:42,810 --> 00:36:41,560
knew I

791
00:36:45,390 --> 00:36:42,820
I don't remember what happened after

792
00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:45,400
that so there were two people who were

793
00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:47,830
in in the presence of her in her

794
00:36:53,130 --> 00:36:50,590
vicinity that had kind of like missing

795
00:36:55,950 --> 00:36:53,140
time as a result of what had happened

796
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,960
with her but you know the next day she

797
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:57,760
she said I knew something was different

798
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,160
and she says I felt like they they

799
00:37:05,460 --> 00:37:03,040
impregnated me and she you know had some

800
00:37:08,190 --> 00:37:05,470
I think some friends come over and she

801
00:37:12,270 --> 00:37:08,200
said yep she was definitely you know

802
00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:12,280
pregnant and she kept the baby for for

803
00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:14,680
three months of almost three months and

804
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,430
she said she was very much in the belief

805
00:37:22,290 --> 00:37:20,560
that this was something related to the

806
00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:22,300
military and she's like I'm gonna keep

807
00:37:25,890 --> 00:37:24,790
this baby I know I know what's going on

808
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,900
here and they're not gonna take this

809
00:37:30,330 --> 00:37:27,760
baby from me and she said no matter what

810
00:37:32,190 --> 00:37:30,340
she did surrounded herself with you know

811
00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:32,200
a lot of love and light she's a believer

812
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:35,320
and in the positive energy thing and she

813
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:36,609
said that she wanted to keep the child

814
00:37:43,770 --> 00:37:39,369
and woke up one morning she says was

815
00:37:48,030 --> 00:37:43,780
gone well now this is what we need to

816
00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:48,040
back up here because the you kind of

817
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:50,920
went right past what makes her story so

818
00:37:55,050 --> 00:37:54,400
bleep and incredible is that she's a

819
00:37:59,609 --> 00:37:55,060
lesbian

820
00:38:03,960 --> 00:37:59,619
she's living with her girlfriend she

821
00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:03,970
doesn't have sex with men therefore she

822
00:38:08,849 --> 00:38:07,000
shouldn't be pregnant ever right okay

823
00:38:12,060 --> 00:38:08,859
that's I mean let's let's not dance

824
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:12,070
around this and for her to turn up

825
00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:14,800
pregnant now her personal life she's got

826
00:38:22,349 --> 00:38:19,350
an answer for this now it's one thing to

827
00:38:22,349 --> 00:38:22,359
too

828
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:25,710
you know come up with a story but it's

829
00:38:30,359 --> 00:38:28,510
another thing to go down the et path

830
00:38:34,050 --> 00:38:30,369
here which is actually what had happened

831
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,060
and that in her personal life

832
00:38:39,540 --> 00:38:36,880
is completely ruined because of this

833
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:39,550
abduction yes she said to put a lot of

834
00:38:48,540 --> 00:38:43,440
stress on her relationship for sure and

835
00:38:52,650 --> 00:38:48,550
the other part as this moved along she

836
00:38:56,070 --> 00:38:52,660
recounts and I'd never heard anything

837
00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:56,080
like this and I want you to expand on it

838
00:38:59,760 --> 00:38:57,310
I'm sure that there's more background

839
00:39:02,250 --> 00:38:59,770
than what is presented in the film but

840
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:02,260
she's she gets connected into like the

841
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:05,770
UFO underground right where they're

842
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:08,890
going to make sure that she has this

843
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:11,710
baby so she goes from if I'm

844
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:13,570
understanding correctly she like goes

845
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:18,910
from handler to handler right well what

846
00:39:24,359 --> 00:39:21,250
happened was she was she's a fireplug

847
00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:24,369
and she's a real warrior and she really

848
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:27,310
is and she went when she had this

849
00:39:31,740 --> 00:39:29,290
experience and then all of a sudden

850
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,750
there was no baby anymore she wasn't

851
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:33,760
pregnant anymore and the baby was gone

852
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,010
she was not she was pissed off and she

853
00:39:43,530 --> 00:39:41,440
wanted answers so she tried to use her

854
00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:43,540
military connections to get answers and

855
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:46,030
she started asking questions apparently

856
00:39:54,180 --> 00:39:51,330
to the right people because one day she

857
00:39:57,300 --> 00:39:54,190
went outside and there was a black car

858
00:39:59,790 --> 00:39:57,310
there with military a couple of military

859
00:40:02,280 --> 00:39:59,800
guys ready to there to pick her up and

860
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:02,290
she kind of knew she was like okay I'm

861
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:03,730
just gonna get in and do what they tell

862
00:40:09,420 --> 00:40:06,540
me to do and they wound up taking her

863
00:40:13,710 --> 00:40:09,430
according to what she's told us they

864
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:13,720
they took her to underground facility in

865
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:17,890
the Colorado Springs area and showed her

866
00:40:24,329 --> 00:40:19,930
a couple things they showed her some

867
00:40:28,109 --> 00:40:24,339
technology that was way beyond anything

868
00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:28,119
we have had we we have or supposedly

869
00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:33,880
have and they showed her an et body of a

870
00:40:38,050 --> 00:40:35,360
tall grey

871
00:40:40,690 --> 00:40:38,060
and then they also showed her this huge

872
00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:40,700
hangar this was like an enormous

873
00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:43,670
airplane hangar but the size of about

874
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,430
probably four football fields and in

875
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:48,560
that hangar were a bunch of craft

876
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:51,050
experimental aircraft and in the middle

877
00:40:58,720 --> 00:40:55,610
were was a typical disc shaped like a

878
00:41:03,220 --> 00:40:58,730
UFO disc-shaped object metal metallic

879
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:03,230
object that was just kind of floating

880
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:06,770
with some kind of anti-gravity that she

881
00:41:11,410 --> 00:41:09,680
assumed technology but was really

882
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,420
interesting about her experiences that

883
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:14,240
these guys just they she had two escorts

884
00:41:18,970 --> 00:41:16,610
with her they went to room to room

885
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:18,980
showed her these things and then they

886
00:41:23,110 --> 00:41:20,810
took her to this conference room and

887
00:41:25,390 --> 00:41:23,120
they let her sit in the conference room

888
00:41:27,850 --> 00:41:25,400
for like an hour just sitting there and

889
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:27,860
this guy was behind her the whole time

890
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:30,170
as she looked sat and looked forward and

891
00:41:36,430 --> 00:41:34,010
I that was too scared to death and and

892
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:36,440
she's like I say and John will back me

893
00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:38,720
up on this she is a tough cookie hmm and

894
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:41,300
she was horrified she thought she was

895
00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:42,800
gonna die she thought okay now they're

896
00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:44,150
gonna kill me they showed me all this

897
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:45,980
and now they're gonna no one's ever

898
00:41:51,250 --> 00:41:48,530
gonna see me again but they didn't they

899
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:51,260
just said well you were asking questions

900
00:42:00,360 --> 00:41:55,970
now you know but the implication was now

901
00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:00,370
you know so be quiet and stop asking the

902
00:42:08,860 --> 00:42:06,350
the the film then you know at this point

903
00:42:12,220 --> 00:42:08,870
in the film without giving anything away

904
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,230
here there's no spoilers but you start

905
00:42:17,770 --> 00:42:14,960
to discuss not only the pregnancy's side

906
00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:17,780
because maybe we should actually discuss

907
00:42:28,350 --> 00:42:21,260
what seating actually is and and and

908
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:28,360
hybrids and hybridization but the fetus

909
00:42:37,390 --> 00:42:34,640
disappears and and and who was pregnant

910
00:42:41,710 --> 00:42:37,400
and and was showing signs of being

911
00:42:44,350 --> 00:42:41,720
pregnant suddenly is not and this is

912
00:42:46,330 --> 00:42:44,360
very difficult for people to to watch

913
00:42:47,130 --> 00:42:46,340
and to understand and to wrap their mind

914
00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:47,140
around

915
00:42:51,229 --> 00:42:50,230
what is happening with the fetus at four

916
00:42:54,809 --> 00:42:51,239
months

917
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:54,819
well what these women are telling us is

918
00:42:59,789 --> 00:42:56,249
that they're having these quote-unquote

919
00:43:03,269 --> 00:42:59,799
false pregnancies so at three to four

920
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,279
months one day they're pregnant and the

921
00:43:07,499 --> 00:43:05,440
next day they're not and a lot of times

922
00:43:09,269 --> 00:43:07,509
they talk about maybe perhaps that

923
00:43:10,979 --> 00:43:09,279
evening where they have another kind of

924
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:10,989
abduction experience something strange

925
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:13,690
happens where they wake up really tired

926
00:43:18,269 --> 00:43:15,970
or really groggy and all of a sudden

927
00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:18,279
they know women know their bodies and

928
00:43:21,059 --> 00:43:20,230
they know that something's wrong the

929
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,069
baby's gone

930
00:43:28,019 --> 00:43:23,680
they often so they'll go to the doctor

931
00:43:29,729 --> 00:43:28,029
and the doctors will be perplexed always

932
00:43:33,299 --> 00:43:29,739
they're like well this is very strange

933
00:43:35,849 --> 00:43:33,309
but they'll say your body just absorbed

934
00:43:40,829 --> 00:43:35,859
it you had a miscarriage and your body

935
00:43:42,569 --> 00:43:40,839
just absorbed the fetus and women some a

936
00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:42,579
lot of them don't buy that and and

937
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:44,470
because there's no evidence whatsoever

938
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:47,920
of a miscarriage none zero and what

939
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:50,910
we've what winds up happening is a

940
00:43:56,549 --> 00:43:54,400
little later down the road it could be a

941
00:43:59,339 --> 00:43:56,559
couple years later these women again

942
00:44:01,049 --> 00:43:59,349
have an abduction experience and they're

943
00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:01,059
taken on board craft and they talk about

944
00:44:07,620 --> 00:44:04,630
in detail being taken on board having

945
00:44:10,229 --> 00:44:07,630
this experience and then on board these

946
00:44:13,710 --> 00:44:10,239
craft they're introduced to these little

947
00:44:17,569 --> 00:44:13,720
children and they almost immediately the

948
00:44:22,739 --> 00:44:17,579
maternal instinct kicks in and they

949
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:22,749
recognize the child or children as their

950
00:44:28,799 --> 00:44:25,529
own and they know it's their child and

951
00:44:33,539 --> 00:44:28,809
the ETS and some kind of telepathic way

952
00:44:36,660 --> 00:44:33,549
ask them to nurture the child - this is

953
00:44:41,130 --> 00:44:36,670
your child love the child hug the child

954
00:44:42,779 --> 00:44:41,140
nurture the child and they do and you

955
00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:42,789
know sometimes they do sometimes there's

956
00:44:48,479 --> 00:44:45,160
in such a state of shock they don't do

957
00:44:51,450 --> 00:44:48,489
anything but this happens this story is

958
00:44:53,759 --> 00:44:51,460
told over and over and over again by

959
00:44:56,099 --> 00:44:53,769
women and sometimes they have they

960
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:56,109
they're contacted by the children on

961
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:58,450
earth it's earthbound but most of the

962
00:45:01,779 --> 00:44:59,599
time it's it

963
00:45:03,870 --> 00:45:01,789
seems to be on some kind of craft where

964
00:45:08,289 --> 00:45:03,880
these children are being raised or kept

965
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:08,299
and it's again the profound emotional

966
00:45:14,229 --> 00:45:11,089
impact that it has on these women and

967
00:45:15,819 --> 00:45:14,239
men to also men has happened to stand it

968
00:45:18,339 --> 00:45:15,829
happens to some other men we talk to

969
00:45:20,410 --> 00:45:18,349
because this the the they're using the

970
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,420
men as well in this hybridization

971
00:45:25,989 --> 00:45:23,119
program these programs and they're

972
00:45:28,539 --> 00:45:25,999
they're extracting their DNA their sperm

973
00:45:31,089 --> 00:45:28,549
and they're concocting whatever their

974
00:45:32,979 --> 00:45:31,099
this cocktail of DNA and they're

975
00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:32,989
creating these hybrid children so that

976
00:45:38,890 --> 00:45:35,630
the children also belong to the men the

977
00:45:40,479 --> 00:45:38,900
human men and this is what seems to be

978
00:45:43,569 --> 00:45:40,489
happening this is what people are

979
00:45:45,789 --> 00:45:43,579
remembering but the one thing I can't

980
00:45:50,109 --> 00:45:45,799
say that I would kind of stress is that

981
00:45:52,749 --> 00:45:50,119
it is incredibly emotional for these

982
00:45:58,019 --> 00:45:52,759
people to go through this experience now

983
00:46:03,099 --> 00:45:58,029
I'm not a doctor okay I'm not oh man

984
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:03,109
but I have never heard not I'm not

985
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:05,690
saying it doesn't occur but I have never

986
00:46:12,930 --> 00:46:10,640
heard about a fetus being absorbed after

987
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:12,940
a miscarriage that the body just

988
00:46:20,650 --> 00:46:18,410
consumes it is this something that is is

989
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:20,660
out there did you guys research this and

990
00:46:26,109 --> 00:46:23,839
look into this well we did try to

991
00:46:28,359 --> 00:46:26,119
connect with physicians to get somebody

992
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:28,369
to go on the record right and I know

993
00:46:33,309 --> 00:46:30,170
that people would be like oh yes you're

994
00:46:35,769 --> 00:46:33,319
right but we did we reached out to a

995
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:35,779
half a dozen different people to see if

996
00:46:40,779 --> 00:46:37,599
they would be willing to talk to us and

997
00:46:42,459 --> 00:46:40,789
a couple of them never responded even

998
00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:42,469
though we were told to reach out to them

999
00:46:48,789 --> 00:46:46,700
a another person declined before we even

1000
00:46:50,259 --> 00:46:48,799
got a chance to get him on the phone and

1001
00:46:52,690 --> 00:46:50,269
then finally got somebody on the phone

1002
00:46:54,459 --> 00:46:52,700
and had several conversations with him

1003
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:54,469
trying to get set up a time to get him

1004
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,680
to sit down and talk with us you know

1005
00:47:01,509 --> 00:47:00,079
long story short there he opted out he

1006
00:47:04,749 --> 00:47:01,519
just eventually got to the point where

1007
00:47:06,729 --> 00:47:04,759
he said you know is this I don't know if

1008
00:47:08,769 --> 00:47:06,739
this is the right thing for me to do but

1009
00:47:10,989 --> 00:47:08,779
he told me you know on in phone

1010
00:47:12,859 --> 00:47:10,999
conversations that I have I have

1011
00:47:15,499 --> 00:47:12,869
experienced this with

1012
00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:15,509
patience in the past I have had women

1013
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:18,420
who come to me who were pregnant and it

1014
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:20,670
had and all of a sudden the fetus was

1015
00:47:26,749 --> 00:47:23,490
gone and he said you know the typical

1016
00:47:29,059 --> 00:47:26,759
response in the medical industry is you

1017
00:47:30,620 --> 00:47:29,069
know the body absorbs it so we're

1018
00:47:33,499 --> 00:47:30,630
talking about you know something that

1019
00:47:34,999 --> 00:47:33,509
happens to women where there's like Jack

1020
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:35,009
mentioned earlier there's no signs of a

1021
00:47:39,019 --> 00:47:36,839
miscarriage you know when there's a

1022
00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:39,029
miscarriage women know and this is

1023
00:47:42,799 --> 00:47:40,859
something where it's like the fetus is

1024
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:42,809
gone the baby is gone

1025
00:47:47,089 --> 00:47:44,910
we've even we even had one person in the

1026
00:47:54,739 --> 00:47:47,099
film Marin massed and talked about she

1027
00:47:59,180 --> 00:47:54,749
went to have a scan and ultrasound done

1028
00:48:01,400 --> 00:47:59,190
and the the tech that was there said

1029
00:48:03,980 --> 00:48:01,410
kind of mentioned something like mmm

1030
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:03,990
and she's like what and he said oh it's

1031
00:48:10,789 --> 00:48:06,089
just a little bit odd you have a fully

1032
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:10,799
intact like placenta but there's nothing

1033
00:48:15,140 --> 00:48:13,890
in it type of thing so she was like it's

1034
00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:15,150
one of those things where you kind of

1035
00:48:18,739 --> 00:48:16,980
like you hear people talk about it but

1036
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:18,749
they don't go further they don't really

1037
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:20,730
share anything with them and part of it

1038
00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:22,170
is because they don't want to get pulled

1039
00:48:25,819 --> 00:48:23,880
into something that that they're not an

1040
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:25,829
expert in they're not going to try to

1041
00:48:30,109 --> 00:48:27,660
figure something out they're gonna try

1042
00:48:33,259 --> 00:48:30,119
to use some sort of and again I'm not an

1043
00:48:35,539 --> 00:48:33,269
expert like you not a doctor I don't

1044
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,549
pretend to be one but you know we

1045
00:48:39,529 --> 00:48:37,200
attempt it to get somebody to go on the

1046
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:39,539
record to talk about this but I can see

1047
00:48:44,299 --> 00:48:41,400
how it would be something that would be

1048
00:48:45,859 --> 00:48:44,309
kind of like a career suicide type of

1049
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:45,869
thing if you get labeled as the guy who

1050
00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:48,450
says you know women are they're having

1051
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:51,390
you know alien fetuses extract it from

1052
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:54,720
their stomachs I'm gonna look into this

1053
00:48:58,279 --> 00:48:56,609
I'm also gonna defer this over to the

1054
00:49:00,229 --> 00:48:58,289
audience too as well if you got any

1055
00:49:02,539 --> 00:49:00,239
information on this post it up in

1056
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:02,549
Twitter and if there's any doctors out

1057
00:49:08,660 --> 00:49:04,170
there too as well listening which there

1058
00:49:12,739 --> 00:49:08,670
are I would like to know is is I mean I

1059
00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:12,749
don't know if it's common or rare but a

1060
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:16,230
fetus to be absorbed by the female body

1061
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,920
and then just disappear that that that

1062
00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:22,079
was a stunner for me it was a stunner

1063
00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:25,430
what are the numbers when we

1064
00:49:30,580 --> 00:49:27,350
when we talk about this I know Yvonne

1065
00:49:32,020 --> 00:49:30,590
pointed out that famous poll that came

1066
00:49:34,110 --> 00:49:32,030
out a couple of years ago and I talked

1067
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:34,120
about it on the show when it did that

1068
00:49:42,580 --> 00:49:39,920
one in 50 Americans adults polled said

1069
00:49:45,940 --> 00:49:42,590
that they think that they may have been

1070
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:45,950
abducted and I remember when when when

1071
00:49:51,010 --> 00:49:47,690
that poll came out I thought that that's

1072
00:49:54,550 --> 00:49:51,020
that's an unbelievable number because if

1073
00:49:56,890 --> 00:49:54,560
there's 350 375 million people in the

1074
00:49:59,770 --> 00:49:56,900
United States and we're looking at 1 in

1075
00:50:02,830 --> 00:49:59,780
50 well that this is something that that

1076
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:02,840
needs to be talked about but worldwide

1077
00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:08,240
you know millions is is one number how

1078
00:50:13,690 --> 00:50:10,310
many how many of these cases do you

1079
00:50:15,250 --> 00:50:13,700
think are actually happening I think

1080
00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:15,260
that when you when you when you think

1081
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:17,230
about you know from a global perspective

1082
00:50:21,580 --> 00:50:19,730
and this is a question that comes up is

1083
00:50:24,580 --> 00:50:21,590
it's like why does it always seem to be

1084
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:24,590
in the u.s. well I think you know a part

1085
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:26,210
of it is one there's a lot of people in

1086
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:29,930
the u.s. too there is an appetite for

1087
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:33,170
this in the US and therefore there is

1088
00:50:37,210 --> 00:50:36,170
more conversations around it and there

1089
00:50:39,730 --> 00:50:37,220
are people doing like what we're doing

1090
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:39,740
looking for answers and radio shows like

1091
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:40,970
what you're doing trying to have

1092
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,730
conversations about these things but the

1093
00:50:48,730 --> 00:50:45,680
fact of the matter is there's documented

1094
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:48,740
cases of people all over the world who

1095
00:50:53,980 --> 00:50:52,160
share very similar stories you know as

1096
00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:53,990
to what happened to them while they were

1097
00:50:57,730 --> 00:50:56,510
during the abduction process so when you

1098
00:51:00,250 --> 00:50:57,740
think about it from that point of view

1099
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:00,260
you know it's it's it's the remote

1100
00:51:06,670 --> 00:51:02,690
corners of the world and it's also in

1101
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:06,680
high-rises in in large cities where this

1102
00:51:10,930 --> 00:51:09,170
is happening but you know what specific

1103
00:51:13,420 --> 00:51:10,940
to the missing pregnancy or the sudden

1104
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:13,430
you know the fetus MIT gone missing we

1105
00:51:18,550 --> 00:51:16,330
talk up with Yvonne and Barbara who were

1106
00:51:21,850 --> 00:51:18,560
Barbara and Yvonne Smith who were in the

1107
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:21,860
film and they said Oh hundreds of cases

1108
00:51:26,740 --> 00:51:24,250
that they've had just by themselves each

1109
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:26,750
or they they've come across this and

1110
00:51:30,190 --> 00:51:28,130
almost everybody that we talked to on

1111
00:51:33,550 --> 00:51:30,200
the investigators side has has heard

1112
00:51:35,350 --> 00:51:33,560
numerous cases as well so you just start

1113
00:51:38,030 --> 00:51:35,360
to extrapolate you know from a dozen

1114
00:51:39,380 --> 00:51:38,040
people who are in a film saying

1115
00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:39,390
and it there they're aware of these

1116
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:41,880
things in and the numbers are big you

1117
00:51:46,250 --> 00:51:44,370
know just going to research on any as

1118
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:46,260
any person who does regression therapy

1119
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:48,000
and you're gonna find people who talk

1120
00:51:51,770 --> 00:51:49,650
about abductions all the time so the

1121
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:51,780
numbers are are probably pretty big and

1122
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:53,700
like you said the one in fifty that's a

1123
00:51:58,310 --> 00:51:55,440
pretty big number seven million people

1124
00:51:59,630 --> 00:51:58,320
there's 70 million people right no 7

1125
00:52:00,280 --> 00:51:59,640
million people 7 million P it's a big

1126
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:00,290
number

1127
00:52:07,070 --> 00:52:02,960
just in the United States and it's not

1128
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:07,080
it's not a United States phenomenon and

1129
00:52:14,660 --> 00:52:11,610
it Wow you know I don't need to go there

1130
00:52:17,620 --> 00:52:14,670
but so much is focused on the United

1131
00:52:20,330 --> 00:52:17,630
States and if you're ET coming from

1132
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:20,340
interstellar space you're not looking at

1133
00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:23,010
borders here let's go to the United

1134
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:26,700
States let's go to Vegas you know it's

1135
00:52:33,050 --> 00:52:29,220
not about that there you go anywhere in

1136
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:33,060
the world now let me let me know okay we

1137
00:52:40,070 --> 00:52:37,530
got time for this Alejandro Rojas is in

1138
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:40,080
the film Mark Dantonio is in the film

1139
00:52:48,490 --> 00:52:44,400
and Richard Dolan now those three guys

1140
00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:48,500
are three of the most black and white

1141
00:52:53,420 --> 00:52:51,510
people that I know and we were talking

1142
00:52:58,670 --> 00:52:53,430
earlier write the word pragmatic it

1143
00:53:01,100 --> 00:52:58,680
comes up and to have those three speak

1144
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:01,110
about this in the film I think is a

1145
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:03,510
really big deal it adds a lot to the

1146
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,410
film as far as a street cred point of

1147
00:53:12,110 --> 00:53:08,880
view for those inside of the community

1148
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:12,120
but those three guys outside of the

1149
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:13,800
community when people hear them speak

1150
00:53:18,410 --> 00:53:16,380
they stop and they listen because of the

1151
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:18,420
way that they approach the subject but

1152
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:21,090
this also is out of the real wheelhouse

1153
00:53:28,550 --> 00:53:24,810
right how open were they to talk about

1154
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:28,560
this subject well it was critical for us

1155
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:32,250
to when we do these things we're telling

1156
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,410
the human story so we're having the

1157
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:36,240
experiences tell their stories but we

1158
00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:39,330
really we know it's critical to also get

1159
00:53:43,490 --> 00:53:41,880
people like Alejandro and Richard the

1160
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:43,500
the people who have done the research

1161
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:45,660
done years of research written books

1162
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:51,119
have PhDs our scientists are you know

1163
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,970
like you say very credible people very

1164
00:53:57,620 --> 00:53:55,440
intelligent people who can speak

1165
00:54:00,259 --> 00:53:57,630
intelligently about this subject matter

1166
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:00,269
and we knew we had to balance that with

1167
00:54:05,539 --> 00:54:02,730
that but what was great about them and

1168
00:54:07,309 --> 00:54:05,549
and and this was we all loved doing

1169
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:07,319
these interviews because we sit there

1170
00:54:10,849 --> 00:54:08,640
and we get excited we know we're going

1171
00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:10,859
to interview Alejandro or Richard and

1172
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:13,950
and Mark we had never met before

1173
00:54:18,799 --> 00:54:16,049
and that turned out to be also a

1174
00:54:22,249 --> 00:54:18,809
phenomenal interview but they they're

1175
00:54:25,069 --> 00:54:22,259
really they talk so objectively about it

1176
00:54:26,380 --> 00:54:25,079
but they're open they're all open to it

1177
00:54:29,329 --> 00:54:26,390
and they're like you know what I've

1178
00:54:31,759 --> 00:54:29,339
personally I've spoken to hundreds or

1179
00:54:33,980 --> 00:54:31,769
dozens of people who have told me their

1180
00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:33,990
stories and I can't I don't know what

1181
00:54:37,489 --> 00:54:35,880
the answer is I don't know what the

1182
00:54:41,529 --> 00:54:37,499
answer is even someone like Richard

1183
00:54:44,569 --> 00:54:41,539
Dolan who is just you know research this

1184
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:44,579
again one of the one of the most famous

1185
00:54:49,849 --> 00:54:46,920
and incredible researchers in this field

1186
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:49,859
probably ever and as much research as

1187
00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:51,450
he's done he's like I don't have any

1188
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:54,599
answers but I will say this it needs

1189
00:54:58,670 --> 00:54:57,210
people need to consider this we need to

1190
00:55:00,920 --> 00:54:58,680
think about it we need to have more

1191
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:00,930
discussions about this and that's what

1192
00:55:06,859 --> 00:55:03,720
was so great about having those guys in

1193
00:55:08,989 --> 00:55:06,869
this and and John I know that you you

1194
00:55:12,259 --> 00:55:08,999
know especially with someone like Mark

1195
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:12,269
Dantonio who is an astronomer I think he

1196
00:55:19,630 --> 00:55:15,599
had just phenomenal insight on this John

1197
00:55:22,579 --> 00:55:19,640
yeah their willingness to engage with us

1198
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:22,589
from the very beginning was you know

1199
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:24,420
someone like Mark we didn't know him we

1200
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:28,640
had worked with Alejandra before we had

1201
00:55:32,809 --> 00:55:31,529
made a connection with Richard and had a

1202
00:55:34,729 --> 00:55:32,819
chance to talk with him through some

1203
00:55:36,499 --> 00:55:34,739
other people that we knew and was able

1204
00:55:38,690 --> 00:55:36,509
to get him you know interested but

1205
00:55:41,779 --> 00:55:38,700
everything starts with a phone call and

1206
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:41,789
one of the things about each one of them

1207
00:55:46,670 --> 00:55:43,680
Alejandra we knew from the first film so

1208
00:55:48,620 --> 00:55:46,680
it was relatively simple to have that

1209
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:48,630
that initial conversation with him for

1210
00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:50,730
the second film but we were on the phone

1211
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:53,369
with Richard for three hours when we

1212
00:55:58,279 --> 00:55:55,710
first wanted to tell him about what we

1213
00:56:00,979 --> 00:55:58,289
wanted to do and I had two separate

1214
00:56:02,299 --> 00:56:00,989
conversations with Mark Jack was on one

1215
00:56:02,770 --> 00:56:02,309
of them and I was on another one with

1216
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:02,780
him

1217
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:05,970
about six hours of phone call you know

1218
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:08,880
conversations with him so when when you

1219
00:56:12,349 --> 00:56:10,410
look at the amount of time that we're in

1220
00:56:14,540 --> 00:56:12,359
but investing on the front end with the

1221
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:14,550
people that we're talking to we want to

1222
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,530
make sure they they really understand

1223
00:56:21,590 --> 00:56:18,720
what our objection our objectives are in

1224
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,600
doing this it wasn't a matter of you

1225
00:56:26,660 --> 00:56:23,520
know we'll figure it out as we go we was

1226
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:26,670
like whedon we want your insight we want

1227
00:56:32,660 --> 00:56:29,609
your take on this whether it's it's pro

1228
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:32,670
or con it adds value to have both sides

1229
00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:35,130
of any story you know in a film like

1230
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:37,470
this because you know most people have I

1231
00:56:40,820 --> 00:56:39,210
should say most people a lot of people

1232
00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:40,830
have said well this you know you guys

1233
00:56:44,540 --> 00:56:42,630
are you know telling a story that's

1234
00:56:46,220 --> 00:56:44,550
specific to an agenda that you want to

1235
00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:46,230
deliver it's like not really we're just

1236
00:56:52,340 --> 00:56:48,540
not doing deep dive investigative

1237
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:52,350
stories to debunk something or to prove

1238
00:56:58,550 --> 00:56:54,530
something what we want to do is expand

1239
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,560
awareness expand thought have you know

1240
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:00,720
insightful conversations about something

1241
00:57:04,970 --> 00:57:02,970
that very well make a lot of people

1242
00:57:07,870 --> 00:57:04,980
uncomfortable but if these things are

1243
00:57:10,340 --> 00:57:07,880
really happening to millions of people

1244
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:10,350
it makes a lot of sense for the rest of

1245
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:13,680
humanity to pay credence to what's being

1246
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:16,410
said what's being shared and to also

1247
00:57:20,540 --> 00:57:18,690
notice the impact that this is having

1248
00:57:22,580 --> 00:57:20,550
and the individuals who go through those

1249
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:22,590
experiences that that was a critical

1250
00:57:27,130 --> 00:57:25,020
point for us in this film is that it

1251
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:27,140
turned from being about phenomena and

1252
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:30,480
evidence to we need to care about the

1253
00:57:34,670 --> 00:57:32,520
people and listen to the people and

1254
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:34,680
provide support for the people who've

1255
00:57:39,620 --> 00:57:37,170
been through these profound experiences

1256
00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:39,630
let's take a break right here this is

1257
00:57:43,849 --> 00:57:41,369
fade to black I'm your Jimmy Church

1258
00:57:45,950 --> 00:57:43,859
we're discussing extraordinary the

1259
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:45,960
seating with director John sample and

1260
00:57:49,310 --> 00:57:47,970
writer Jack Roth will continue this

1261
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:49,320
conversation right after this short

1262
00:57:52,610 --> 00:58:30,240
[Music]

1263
00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:32,460
welcome back fade to black I'm roasting

1264
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:34,510
the church on the game changer Network

1265
00:58:40,410 --> 00:58:38,170
in Katy RA the planets tonight we're

1266
00:58:42,359 --> 00:58:40,420
discussing of the new film extraordinary

1267
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:42,369
the seating with director John supple

1268
00:58:53,940 --> 00:58:49,119
and writer Jack Roth now the a program

1269
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:53,950
of this size write a global program a

1270
00:59:02,460 --> 00:58:58,290
global seating program of the human race

1271
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,470
can't go unnoticed by our governments

1272
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:04,480
and different state actors around the

1273
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:05,890
world and certainly the United States

1274
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:09,690
government are they are they involved

1275
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:13,810
well we actually are going to get much

1276
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:15,970
more into that aspect of this in our

1277
00:59:20,790 --> 00:59:19,330
next film and that's part of this this

1278
00:59:24,540 --> 00:59:20,800
whole journey that we're taking

1279
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:24,550
audiences on but what we've found there

1280
00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:27,010
are a couple people in the film in the

1281
00:59:34,859 --> 00:59:31,140
film that's coming out that talk about a

1282
00:59:38,220 --> 00:59:34,869
government presence as in part in the in

1283
00:59:43,230 --> 00:59:38,230
the abduction experience and whether

1284
00:59:44,790 --> 00:59:43,240
it's with ETS or not there is a governor

1285
00:59:48,810 --> 00:59:44,800
there seems to be a government presence

1286
00:59:50,790 --> 00:59:48,820
and I mean objectively speaking and then

1287
00:59:53,849 --> 00:59:50,800
again john john and i both obviously we

1288
00:59:56,609 --> 00:59:53,859
don't know the answers to this but we

1289
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:56,619
tend to exactly speak for myself and say

1290
01:00:05,490 --> 00:59:59,680
i think that they they not only do they

1291
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:05,500
know but that somehow they they have a

1292
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:09,250
hand in this and but what that is it's

1293
01:00:14,849 --> 01:00:11,440
hard to say and and I wouldn't want to I

1294
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:14,859
wouldn't even want to congest anything

1295
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:17,890
but I will say this we have started to

1296
01:00:24,570 --> 01:00:23,410
speak to ex-military people and they're

1297
01:00:27,690 --> 01:00:24,580
going to be again and they're gonna be

1298
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:27,700
in our next film but we've had long

1299
01:00:30,810 --> 01:00:29,530
conversations with them and they're you

1300
01:00:34,829 --> 01:00:30,820
know you can you might call them

1301
01:00:38,130 --> 01:00:34,839
whistleblowers if you want but they they

1302
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:38,140
talk about being involved in programs

1303
01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:41,680
that involve DTS whether that's crash

1304
01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:43,900
retrieval or communication

1305
01:00:50,489 --> 01:00:48,670
or or something else so it it's highly

1306
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,499
suggest that obviously the government is

1307
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:52,480
not only aware of these things but that

1308
01:01:01,440 --> 01:00:56,319
they they have some sort of contact or

1309
01:01:03,660 --> 01:01:01,450
communication with these ETS John what

1310
01:01:06,779 --> 01:01:03,670
do you what do you make of that aspect

1311
01:01:08,460 --> 01:01:06,789
of it where you're you're talking to

1312
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:08,470
somebody about their abduction

1313
01:01:16,049 --> 01:01:12,690
experience and and and as they reveal

1314
01:01:18,420 --> 01:01:16,059
the the the intricacies and the

1315
01:01:22,380 --> 01:01:18,430
logistics of it because there's always

1316
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:22,390
that part they will

1317
01:01:27,839 --> 01:01:25,119
it seems very common to hear them

1318
01:01:30,359 --> 01:01:27,849
mention well you know I was there there

1319
01:01:33,059 --> 01:01:30,369
was a couple of ETS in the room I was

1320
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:33,069
there and in the background looked like

1321
01:01:38,730 --> 01:01:35,950
somebody was in a airforce officer's

1322
01:01:43,009 --> 01:01:38,740
uniform right and he hear this over and

1323
01:01:47,130 --> 01:01:43,019
over again what do you think is going on

1324
01:01:51,059 --> 01:01:47,140
well it's disturbing and I would say

1325
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:51,069
that that was one of the the I would say

1326
01:01:55,710 --> 01:01:53,049
there was two moments when we were doing

1327
01:01:58,890 --> 01:01:55,720
these interviews more than two but two

1328
01:02:03,210 --> 01:01:58,900
specific to the military that just you

1329
01:02:05,009 --> 01:02:03,220
know gut-wrenching jaw-dropping I mean

1330
01:02:07,019 --> 01:02:05,019
as an you know sitting there

1331
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:07,029
interviewing somebody in listening to

1332
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:09,609
them recount a story with you know

1333
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:11,650
you're tearing up and you can't help it

1334
01:02:15,329 --> 01:02:13,450
because they're sharing something so

1335
01:02:18,539 --> 01:02:15,339
visceral but to the people in the film

1336
01:02:22,529 --> 01:02:18,549
the era Eisley and April Malloy both

1337
01:02:24,329 --> 01:02:22,539
said both said that they had experiences

1338
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:24,339
where they were they were having

1339
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,650
penetrative sex and there were other

1340
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:28,720
people in the room watching them some

1341
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:32,319
civilians and some beings can you

1342
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:35,920
imagine what that emotional impact would

1343
01:02:39,870 --> 01:02:37,839
be not only to the person that's having

1344
01:02:41,009 --> 01:02:39,880
it but to carry it forward knowing that

1345
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:41,019
there were other people in the room

1346
01:02:46,349 --> 01:02:43,930
witnessing this the first question that

1347
01:02:48,450 --> 01:02:46,359
you ask is is well and I should say in

1348
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:48,460
addition to the civilians that military

1349
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:49,210
personnel

1350
01:02:54,690 --> 01:02:53,410
so why what what is the purpose that we

1351
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:54,700
don't know the answer to that but to

1352
01:02:57,660 --> 01:02:56,650
hear something like that from more than

1353
01:02:59,339 --> 01:02:57,670
one person

1354
01:03:01,740 --> 01:02:59,349
and that we interviewed we only

1355
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:01,750
interviewed it you know a half dozen or

1356
01:03:06,930 --> 01:03:03,970
nine people specific to the abduction

1357
01:03:09,180 --> 01:03:06,940
experience talk to you about 30 in total

1358
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:09,190
and two of the people that we had on

1359
01:03:15,319 --> 01:03:11,650
camera had experiences of penetrative

1360
01:03:20,430 --> 01:03:15,329
sex with a being and being witnessed

1361
01:03:24,059 --> 01:03:20,440
that's I can't fathom that and I just

1362
01:03:25,530 --> 01:03:24,069
cannot even begin to put myself in the

1363
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:25,540
shoes of somebody who's gone through

1364
01:03:31,650 --> 01:03:28,569
that so that's when I kind of think

1365
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:31,660
about this is we need to as human beings

1366
01:03:36,270 --> 01:03:34,000
be compassionate towards people who've

1367
01:03:38,700 --> 01:03:36,280
bet whether we understand it or not

1368
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:38,710
whether we believe it or not if it was

1369
01:03:43,770 --> 01:03:41,290
real to them and they've suffered some

1370
01:03:45,150 --> 01:03:43,780
sort of a trauma in their life and some

1371
01:03:48,180 --> 01:03:45,160
of these people have been diagnosed with

1372
01:03:50,370 --> 01:03:48,190
PTSD if they've gone through something

1373
01:03:52,170 --> 01:03:50,380
that we need to we need to listen we

1374
01:03:53,940 --> 01:03:52,180
need to be there for them we need to you

1375
01:03:56,819 --> 01:03:53,950
know give them a hug for Christ's sake

1376
01:03:58,650 --> 01:03:56,829
you know that's what I think was a very

1377
01:04:01,859 --> 01:03:58,660
important thing for me learning through

1378
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:01,869
this process was these are real people

1379
01:04:06,270 --> 01:04:04,450
that have been ostracized for something

1380
01:04:09,150 --> 01:04:06,280
that they never raise their hand for

1381
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:09,160
they didn't volunteer for it they have

1382
01:04:13,740 --> 01:04:10,930
been taken against their will have had a

1383
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:13,750
traumatic experience in society shuns

1384
01:04:19,230 --> 01:04:16,450
them but it's atrocious

1385
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:19,240
and what do we do what and you're gonna

1386
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:21,730
have this in Evatt ibly over and over

1387
01:04:27,329 --> 01:04:23,770
again in the in the weeks and months

1388
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:27,339
ahead where whether it's somebody from

1389
01:04:33,420 --> 01:04:30,130
the media or otherwise that are gonna

1390
01:04:36,270 --> 01:04:33,430
say look they're making it up right it's

1391
01:04:38,970 --> 01:04:36,280
it's some kind of mental illness this

1392
01:04:41,010 --> 01:04:38,980
this is not real what's your answer

1393
01:04:46,049 --> 01:04:41,020
you know what I'll give you a chance to

1394
01:04:48,359 --> 01:04:46,059
practice because that's that's absurd

1395
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:48,369
and I think the reason for that is you

1396
01:04:52,859 --> 01:04:50,799
know look if and and that's the problem

1397
01:04:54,420 --> 01:04:52,869
you know and and one of the best lines

1398
01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:54,430
and we always go back to this in the

1399
01:05:00,839 --> 01:04:58,210
film that we loved was someone had said

1400
01:05:04,049 --> 01:05:00,849
if it doesn't happen to you it's just a

1401
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:04,059
story so it of course it doesn't have

1402
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:06,640
the impact that because didn't happen to

1403
01:05:11,550 --> 01:05:06,970
you

1404
01:05:13,410 --> 01:05:11,560
like saying mass allusive

1405
01:05:15,300 --> 01:05:13,420
everyone's having a mass hallucination

1406
01:05:18,930 --> 01:05:15,310
that's the easy way to explain it away

1407
01:05:20,490 --> 01:05:18,940
right and and and it's truthfully it's

1408
01:05:23,010 --> 01:05:20,500
an insult to our intelligence if you

1409
01:05:25,710 --> 01:05:23,020
think about it objectively in a logical

1410
01:05:27,300 --> 01:05:25,720
manner that's insulting it's not only

1411
01:05:28,830 --> 01:05:27,310
insulting to the people who are having

1412
01:05:31,980 --> 01:05:28,840
these experiences but it's also

1413
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:31,990
insulting to the free-thinking

1414
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:34,000
intelligent human being who's like wow

1415
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:36,010
it's never happened to me but boy this

1416
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:38,530
is horrible this this is this would be a

1417
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:41,170
horrible thing to happen and I think

1418
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:43,090
it's just it's a way for people to just

1419
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:45,010
make excuses for things that they don't

1420
01:05:49,710 --> 01:05:48,160
understand it's very scary so if you

1421
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:49,720
don't understand something this is human

1422
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:52,210
nature this is all part and that's one

1423
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:54,010
thing we've all everyone on the team

1424
01:05:59,130 --> 01:05:56,770
everyone on our crew we've sat down and

1425
01:06:02,580 --> 01:05:59,140
we've talked about this over many many

1426
01:06:05,970 --> 01:06:02,590
meals and it's this is part of the human

1427
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:05,980
condition all of it the the the the fact

1428
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:09,570
that these people are having these very

1429
01:06:15,630 --> 01:06:12,730
these these strange experiences these

1430
01:06:18,170 --> 01:06:15,640
these horrifying stressful experiences

1431
01:06:20,730 --> 01:06:18,180
and also the fact that people are

1432
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:20,740
ridiculing them it's all part of how

1433
01:06:26,010 --> 01:06:24,010
human beings behave and what what we

1434
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:26,020
need to do and John makes the point of

1435
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:27,850
all points and the reason we're doing

1436
01:06:33,210 --> 01:06:30,970
this is that people need to be more

1437
01:06:34,110 --> 01:06:33,220
empathetic to other people and what

1438
01:06:37,740 --> 01:06:34,120
they're going through

1439
01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:37,750
if someone comes back from a war and has

1440
01:06:45,420 --> 01:06:42,430
PTSD we feel for them if someone loses a

1441
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:45,430
child and they're suffering from severe

1442
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:48,330
depression and anxiety we feel for them

1443
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:50,650
well why don't we feel for the people

1444
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:52,480
who are going through these horrible

1445
01:06:58,560 --> 01:06:54,880
experiences and having anxiety and

1446
01:07:01,740 --> 01:06:58,570
depression and PTSD why can't we feel

1447
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:01,750
for them because it's a socially taboo

1448
01:07:08,250 --> 01:07:05,290
thing yeah it's completely taboo and

1449
01:07:09,900 --> 01:07:08,260
there's another extraordinary moment I

1450
01:07:12,510 --> 01:07:09,910
can't believe I just said extraordinary

1451
01:07:14,730 --> 01:07:12,520
about a film called extraordinary but

1452
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:14,740
there's another extraordinary moment of

1453
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:16,250
the film where

1454
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:19,130
Mark Dantonio brings up one of the best

1455
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:21,920
points that that can be said about all

1456
01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:26,330
of this when somebody says why right why

1457
01:07:32,050 --> 01:07:29,599
are they doing this and and mark says

1458
01:07:34,859 --> 01:07:32,060
look we go out and tag I think he says

1459
01:07:37,390 --> 01:07:34,869
elk right and we go out and tagging elk

1460
01:07:39,820 --> 01:07:37,400
we're not emotionally distressed over

1461
01:07:41,950 --> 01:07:39,830
that you know I'm paraphrasing here but

1462
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:41,960
he's right we go out and we're tagging

1463
01:07:48,849 --> 01:07:45,680
sharks and whales and dolphins and an

1464
01:07:52,930 --> 01:07:48,859
elephants and you know shoot that can't

1465
01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:52,940
feel good when you're when you're

1466
01:07:59,890 --> 01:07:56,510
shooting somebody with a gun into their

1467
01:08:02,650 --> 01:07:59,900
skin and and and doing that it can't be

1468
01:08:06,849 --> 01:08:02,660
right but but nobody's losing sleep over

1469
01:08:11,410 --> 01:08:06,859
it and I'm sure that et has got the very

1470
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:11,420
same mentality coming here and checking

1471
01:08:16,269 --> 01:08:13,609
us out for whatever reason they're not

1472
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:16,279
losing sleep over it it's just what

1473
01:08:20,590 --> 01:08:18,770
they're doing they're exploring and and

1474
01:08:22,269 --> 01:08:20,600
doing their thing here on earth and

1475
01:08:24,180 --> 01:08:22,279
they're doing it on many other planets

1476
01:08:26,769 --> 01:08:24,190
too as well we're not the only one

1477
01:08:29,289 --> 01:08:26,779
that's that's the best way to look at it

1478
01:08:31,180 --> 01:08:29,299
right yeah I think one of the things

1479
01:08:33,220 --> 01:08:31,190
with that too is that you you you have

1480
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:33,230
to look at it in a much bigger from a

1481
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:35,930
much bigger perspective so you know we

1482
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:39,170
we have a global centric way of thinking

1483
01:08:44,289 --> 01:08:41,810
of things an Earthbound centric way once

1484
01:08:46,930 --> 01:08:44,299
you start to extrapolate thought to more

1485
01:08:50,019 --> 01:08:46,940
cosmic and universal and metaphysical

1486
01:08:51,940 --> 01:08:50,029
and multi-dimensional you have a

1487
01:08:59,729 --> 01:08:51,950
completely different thought process so

1488
01:09:04,959 --> 01:09:03,220
that people understand and and what

1489
01:09:08,499 --> 01:09:04,969
we're terming ex3 because it doesn't

1490
01:09:12,450 --> 01:09:08,509
have a title yet the the idea that there

1491
01:09:14,829 --> 01:09:12,460
are a lot of people who believe in

1492
01:09:17,010 --> 01:09:14,839
abductions they believe they believe in

1493
01:09:20,289 --> 01:09:17,020
the lights in the sky have intelligent

1494
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:20,299
thought intelligent beings behind it

1495
01:09:26,410 --> 01:09:24,410
they believe in abductions they believe

1496
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:26,420
in hybridization they believe in hybrid

1497
01:09:29,380 --> 01:09:27,890
children they believe that they're both

1498
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:29,390
off planet and they believe that they're

1499
01:09:33,670 --> 01:09:29,810
popular

1500
01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:33,680
the earth the there are three distinct

1501
01:09:36,970 --> 01:09:35,089
groups probably a lot more but three

1502
01:09:39,010 --> 01:09:36,980
distinct groups within that that have a

1503
01:09:41,230 --> 01:09:39,020
completely different paradigm of thought

1504
01:09:43,180 --> 01:09:41,240
around that concept that I just

1505
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:43,190
explained and one is the religious

1506
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:45,770
paradigm the second one is the ascension

1507
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:48,560
paradigm and the third one is it's kind

1508
01:09:54,910 --> 01:09:52,130
of dr. Jacobs dr. David Jakes of sweet

1509
01:09:56,770 --> 01:09:54,920
spot which is colonization all three of

1510
01:09:59,200 --> 01:09:56,780
those are vastly different even though

1511
01:10:02,590 --> 01:09:59,210
they believe in the same premise but

1512
01:10:05,230 --> 01:10:02,600
their outcomes are different and we

1513
01:10:08,230 --> 01:10:05,240
don't know nobody really has those

1514
01:10:10,330 --> 01:10:08,240
answers do they no no and we we have

1515
01:10:12,220 --> 01:10:10,340
made it very clear when wherever we talk

1516
01:10:13,860 --> 01:10:12,230
to anybody we don't have the answers

1517
01:10:17,620 --> 01:10:13,870
what we're doing is try to present

1518
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:17,630
stories to the masses of people who've

1519
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:20,090
had experiences both personal both

1520
01:10:24,580 --> 01:10:22,640
connected to the military both connected

1521
01:10:26,650 --> 01:10:24,590
to other people I'll give you one little

1522
01:10:28,210 --> 01:10:26,660
story that to me when you hear stories

1523
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:28,220
like this that really they really

1524
01:10:32,860 --> 01:10:30,080
resonate with you

1525
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:32,870
one of the women that we interviewed for

1526
01:10:39,370 --> 01:10:36,530
the film she shares the story of being

1527
01:10:41,890 --> 01:10:39,380
abducted and and it's not in the movie

1528
01:10:43,890 --> 01:10:41,900
but she shares a story of having an

1529
01:10:46,990 --> 01:10:43,900
abduction experience and she goes I'm

1530
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:47,000
present in in in the woods nearby my

1531
01:10:51,850 --> 01:10:48,560
house and I'm walking through the woods

1532
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:51,860
and I see this installation down in this

1533
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:53,570
little ravine and I can see these these

1534
01:10:57,730 --> 01:10:55,970
grays going into this installation and

1535
01:10:59,560 --> 01:10:57,740
she says okay it they were busy it was

1536
01:11:01,000 --> 01:10:59,570
like they were ignoring me but I could

1537
01:11:03,670 --> 01:11:01,010
see them you know off in the distance

1538
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:03,680
doing this and then she said I saw my

1539
01:11:07,660 --> 01:11:05,330
next-door neighbor and where she lived

1540
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:07,670
was in a farm in farm country so she

1541
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:09,530
said her next-door neighbor is like you

1542
01:11:14,580 --> 01:11:12,080
know a half a mile away but she said I

1543
01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:14,590
saw my next-door neighbor and she said I

1544
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:16,910
approached her and I saw that she was

1545
01:11:21,940 --> 01:11:19,970
naked and she was crying and she said

1546
01:11:23,860 --> 01:11:21,950
that I I felt you know I was a little

1547
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:23,870
bit embarrassed for her because she was

1548
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:25,760
naked and she goes I'm kind of a humble

1549
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:28,010
person so she goes I kind of like held

1550
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:29,930
up a jacket for her and I turned my head

1551
01:11:34,150 --> 01:11:32,210
so that she could put put the jacket on

1552
01:11:36,340 --> 01:11:34,160
and I was kept trying to comfort her and

1553
01:11:38,140 --> 01:11:36,350
then she said she remembers waking up

1554
01:11:40,030 --> 01:11:38,150
back in her home you know having this

1555
01:11:42,700 --> 01:11:40,040
presence like I had this experience it

1556
01:11:43,539 --> 01:11:42,710
was it was very visceral to me but now

1557
01:11:46,539 --> 01:11:43,549
I'm back home

1558
01:11:48,099 --> 01:11:46,549
the next morning she has a knock on her

1559
01:11:49,859 --> 01:11:48,109
door she goes to the door

1560
01:11:53,049 --> 01:11:49,869
and it's her next-door neighbor

1561
01:11:58,479 --> 01:11:53,059
horrified and says to her we met in the

1562
01:12:02,309 --> 01:11:58,489
woods last night didn't we say what yeah

1563
01:12:04,359 --> 01:12:02,319
right so you hear stories like that

1564
01:12:06,009 --> 01:12:04,369
corroborated stories it's not just one

1565
01:12:08,500 --> 01:12:06,019
individual when you have two people

1566
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:08,510
saying something like that it makes you

1567
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:12,169
it I mean it literally you have that

1568
01:12:18,939 --> 01:12:15,049
moment of your head exploding because I

1569
01:12:20,409 --> 01:12:18,949
can't I can't relate to that and I can't

1570
01:12:22,359 --> 01:12:20,419
discount it when two people are having

1571
01:12:24,279 --> 01:12:22,369
corroborated stories and I have to tell

1572
01:12:26,109 --> 01:12:24,289
you two that story is a future film

1573
01:12:28,959 --> 01:12:26,119
because what has happened not just that

1574
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:28,969
that is one tiny element of a much much

1575
01:12:33,459 --> 01:12:31,449
bigger thing that happened in

1576
01:12:35,559 --> 01:12:33,469
southwestern Missouri back in the

1577
01:12:37,299 --> 01:12:35,569
mid-90s so this is this is something

1578
01:12:39,279 --> 01:12:37,309
that we will likely explore down the

1579
01:12:41,049 --> 01:12:39,289
road but those are the type of stories

1580
01:12:42,489 --> 01:12:41,059
that I don't think a lot of people hear

1581
01:12:44,739 --> 01:12:42,499
and one of the things that I would

1582
01:12:47,289 --> 01:12:44,749
encourage people who are on the fence or

1583
01:12:48,339 --> 01:12:47,299
even if there are skeptics spend time

1584
01:12:50,319 --> 01:12:48,349
with somebody who's been through

1585
01:12:52,179 --> 01:12:50,329
something like this and then let me then

1586
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:52,189
have a conversation with me and say tell

1587
01:12:58,750 --> 01:12:56,239
me that after spending you know a day a

1588
01:13:01,119 --> 01:12:58,760
weekend a week with an individual who's

1589
01:13:03,579 --> 01:13:01,129
been through this you have a chance to

1590
01:13:05,559 --> 01:13:03,589
see that they're not crazy that you have

1591
01:13:06,939 --> 01:13:05,569
to see that they have highs and lows you

1592
01:13:08,949 --> 01:13:06,949
have to see that they're very

1593
01:13:10,779 --> 01:13:08,959
intelligent and they're processing this

1594
01:13:12,849 --> 01:13:10,789
and working through it in the best way

1595
01:13:14,889 --> 01:13:12,859
that they know how then you have a much

1596
01:13:17,409 --> 01:13:14,899
better appreciation but to watch a film

1597
01:13:18,879 --> 01:13:17,419
for an hour and 45 minutes or see a

1598
01:13:21,609 --> 01:13:18,889
piece of evidence that doesn't resonate

1599
01:13:24,309 --> 01:13:21,619
with you and to dismiss it that's just

1600
01:13:26,049 --> 01:13:24,319
that's closed-minded yeah you know I

1601
01:13:28,719 --> 01:13:26,059
just don't understand people who will

1602
01:13:31,179 --> 01:13:28,729
make judgment on one thing if they don't

1603
01:13:33,129 --> 01:13:31,189
know the whole story and certainly we're

1604
01:13:35,319 --> 01:13:33,139
talking about the most traumatic of

1605
01:13:38,649 --> 01:13:35,329
traumatic experiences that one could

1606
01:13:40,719 --> 01:13:38,659
possibly go through and and that's it

1607
01:13:43,569 --> 01:13:40,729
there isn't any other way to look at it

1608
01:13:46,089 --> 01:13:43,579
than that and how somebody deals with it

1609
01:13:48,569 --> 01:13:46,099
is how somebody deals with it if you

1610
01:13:51,669 --> 01:13:48,579
look at and I know you guys know Travis

1611
01:13:55,570 --> 01:13:51,679
you know you have a conversation with

1612
01:14:00,880 --> 01:13:55,580
Travis and you sit down and you

1613
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:00,890
you get you get to be with him right he

1614
01:14:07,210 --> 01:14:04,490
is still dealing with that trauma he's

1615
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:07,220
not he's not he's not cool with it you

1616
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:10,370
know and and and you can see it in his

1617
01:14:15,220 --> 01:14:12,890
eyes and that goes with any anybody else

1618
01:14:18,460 --> 01:14:15,230
that has gone through these experiences

1619
01:14:21,250 --> 01:14:18,470
the trauma has to be to the extreme and

1620
01:14:24,490 --> 01:14:21,260
an empathy that's just the starting

1621
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:24,500
point yeah that and and you guys address

1622
01:14:31,420 --> 01:14:27,170
that really well in the film too and

1623
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:31,430
next before we hit the break we know

1624
01:14:39,940 --> 01:14:35,470
that this is going on we have enough

1625
01:14:44,230 --> 01:14:39,950
testimony out there but the question has

1626
01:14:45,580 --> 01:14:44,240
to be why and just John you just said

1627
01:14:47,170 --> 01:14:45,590
that there are you know there's three

1628
01:14:48,730 --> 01:14:47,180
distinct groups so there's three

1629
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:48,740
distinct ID you can do that with

1630
01:14:53,530 --> 01:14:50,690
anything and you can certainly do that

1631
01:14:55,890 --> 01:14:53,540
with the why question you know why are

1632
01:14:59,320 --> 01:14:55,900
they doing this but going through a

1633
01:15:00,970 --> 01:14:59,330
seeding program the first question that

1634
01:15:02,740 --> 01:15:00,980
I have is just why not come over and

1635
01:15:06,610 --> 01:15:02,750
take over the planet you don't even need

1636
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:06,620
us in that that would be so that's one

1637
01:15:12,010 --> 01:15:09,530
way to look at this but why why is this

1638
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:12,020
program in place what are they doing it

1639
01:15:19,060 --> 01:15:16,130
for well there there are a lot of

1640
01:15:22,770 --> 01:15:19,070
different theories on that and John had

1641
01:15:25,480 --> 01:15:22,780
mentioned three three the main kind of

1642
01:15:28,750 --> 01:15:25,490
camps out there and and what they

1643
01:15:31,390 --> 01:15:28,760
believe is the why but the why is really

1644
01:15:33,940 --> 01:15:31,400
the impetus for why we did this film and

1645
01:15:35,650 --> 01:15:33,950
and we realize that if we're if we're

1646
01:15:38,980 --> 01:15:35,660
taking people on this journey of

1647
01:15:42,030 --> 01:15:38,990
discovery and we're looking for the

1648
01:15:44,230 --> 01:15:42,040
truth that you know you start out with

1649
01:15:46,660 --> 01:15:44,240
seeing a light in the sky seeing a

1650
01:15:48,010 --> 01:15:46,670
strange light in the sky and or seeing a

1651
01:15:50,110 --> 01:15:48,020
daylight disc and then you go through

1652
01:15:53,770 --> 01:15:50,120
the you go through this various phases

1653
01:15:57,340 --> 01:15:53,780
of understanding of the phenomena and

1654
01:15:59,860 --> 01:15:57,350
you go deeper and deeper but the why the

1655
01:16:03,640 --> 01:15:59,870
the implicit more importantly is what

1656
01:16:08,230 --> 01:16:03,650
are the implications of the why and what

1657
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:08,240
I mean by that is they're the reason

1658
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:09,170
they're due

1659
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:12,800
whether it's for colonisation whether

1660
01:16:19,629 --> 01:16:16,730
it's for to help us get to the next step

1661
01:16:21,069 --> 01:16:19,639
in our human evolution that these hybrid

1662
01:16:23,410 --> 01:16:21,079
children are going to be the next step

1663
01:16:25,689 --> 01:16:23,420
in our evolution which could be a really

1664
01:16:27,490 --> 01:16:25,699
cool thing it could mean that we're

1665
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:27,500
going to become galactic citizens and

1666
01:16:32,049 --> 01:16:29,690
we're going to be able to shift in and

1667
01:16:35,589 --> 01:16:32,059
out inter-dimensionally and you know

1668
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:35,599
take that next leap or it could be very

1669
01:16:39,339 --> 01:16:37,610
biblical in nature that everything that

1670
01:16:41,319 --> 01:16:39,349
was kind of described in the Bible was

1671
01:16:43,569 --> 01:16:41,329
true and that we're dealing with

1672
01:16:46,169 --> 01:16:43,579
perhaps angels and demons and the whole

1673
01:16:50,319 --> 01:16:46,179
nine yards who knows but the

1674
01:16:52,510 --> 01:16:50,329
implications to humanity are so profound

1675
01:16:54,970 --> 01:16:52,520
that it's that's why we're trying to

1676
01:16:56,979 --> 01:16:54,980
that's why we're telling the story we

1677
01:17:02,049 --> 01:16:56,989
don't know the answers right it's fun to

1678
01:17:06,490 --> 01:17:02,059
talk about the why but it whatever that

1679
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:06,500
is whatever that end game is is as chain

1680
01:17:13,660 --> 01:17:09,489
is going to change everything forever

1681
01:17:17,709 --> 01:17:13,670
John through your interviews and as you

1682
01:17:19,450 --> 01:17:17,719
start to assemble the film together a

1683
01:17:22,660 --> 01:17:19,460
lot of stuff ends up on the cutting room

1684
01:17:27,850 --> 01:17:22,670
floor on a hard drive but in the old

1685
01:17:31,229 --> 01:17:27,860
days but the and that was a funny joke

1686
01:17:38,740 --> 01:17:31,239
by the way it was that was a good stuff

1687
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:38,750
is there is a commonality between all of

1688
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:42,170
these experiences and and sometimes you

1689
01:17:47,890 --> 01:17:43,730
can't get it all in one film certainly

1690
01:17:50,830 --> 01:17:47,900
but for you you start to see things

1691
01:17:53,410 --> 01:17:50,840
there that that the people that you

1692
01:17:55,419 --> 01:17:53,420
interviewing don't know what the what

1693
01:17:58,330 --> 01:17:55,429
the other person is said in in their

1694
01:18:01,450 --> 01:17:58,340
interview but you see the commonalities

1695
01:18:03,370 --> 01:18:01,460
and the the dots are connecting what did

1696
01:18:05,979 --> 01:18:03,380
you start to take away from that and can

1697
01:18:11,229 --> 01:18:05,989
you share some of those commonalities

1698
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:11,239
between all of them the one thing that I

1699
01:18:19,150 --> 01:18:14,050
you know again personally took away is

1700
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:19,160
the raw emotion that

1701
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:23,690
we were privileged I think to establish

1702
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:27,520
a positive rapport with long phone

1703
01:18:32,590 --> 01:18:30,290
conversations ahead of time and then to

1704
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:32,600
sit down so imagine being one of these

1705
01:18:37,810 --> 01:18:35,330
people being interviewed and a crew of

1706
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:37,820
five people shows up and sets up lights

1707
01:18:44,410 --> 01:18:41,090
and cameras and microphones and then

1708
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:44,420
asks you to tell your personal story so

1709
01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:47,510
there's a lot of time spent making them

1710
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:49,490
feel comfortable enough to be vulnerable

1711
01:18:58,920 --> 01:18:54,560
and you know asking questions that give

1712
01:19:02,080 --> 01:18:58,930
them pause have them think you know

1713
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:02,090
allow them to go deep you know and and

1714
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:04,640
when I was interviewing April for

1715
01:19:12,220 --> 01:19:08,690
example I remember one you know in that

1716
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:12,230
moment I was like and she was she was

1717
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:14,690
giving us incredible information but I

1718
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:17,090
wanted I wanted more so I said to her I

1719
01:19:21,430 --> 01:19:18,560
asked her said April can you close your

1720
01:19:25,390 --> 01:19:21,440
eyes and just kind of take us to that

1721
01:19:28,270 --> 01:19:25,400
moment and walk us through it and in and

1722
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:28,280
when she did that it became you know for

1723
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:30,130
the people in the room it became

1724
01:19:35,940 --> 01:19:33,650
personal it's like we were we were on

1725
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:35,950
this journey with her and it was it was

1726
01:19:40,660 --> 01:19:37,760
horrifying because what she was

1727
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:40,670
basically sharing with us was a rape

1728
01:19:46,810 --> 01:19:43,730
scenario and I remember in that moment

1729
01:19:49,150 --> 01:19:46,820
being kind of like shocked and I I said

1730
01:19:51,550 --> 01:19:49,160
to her and I didn't mean to be demeaning

1731
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:51,560
in any way because it just hit me you

1732
01:19:56,230 --> 01:19:53,570
know out of nowhere I said April you use

1733
01:19:59,110 --> 01:19:56,240
the word rape and she goes well that's

1734
01:20:00,910 --> 01:19:59,120
what it was and I just wanted clarity in

1735
01:20:02,290 --> 01:20:00,920
that moment because she said I was taken

1736
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:02,300
against my will I didn't volunteer for

1737
01:20:09,370 --> 01:20:05,120
this it wasn't something I was I was

1738
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:09,380
gave approval to and and when you hear

1739
01:20:14,290 --> 01:20:11,810
that level of emotion in Geraldine

1740
01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:14,300
Orosco and we talked with her and Rob

1741
01:20:18,850 --> 01:20:16,490
Bullington when we talked with him the

1742
01:20:21,010 --> 01:20:18,860
journeys that they took us through we

1743
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:21,020
spent nine ten hours with each one of

1744
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:24,560
them individually and then another day

1745
01:20:30,430 --> 01:20:27,650
with them as a group but when we when we

1746
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:30,440
spent the time to get deep into their

1747
01:20:33,020 --> 01:20:32,000
stories to the point where they were

1748
01:20:35,300 --> 01:20:33,030
able to share

1749
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:35,310
with us the vulnerabilities of those

1750
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:38,610
moments that's what I took away as the

1751
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:40,890
most consistent thing that appeared over

1752
01:20:44,570 --> 01:20:43,050
and over again it showed up with Sierra

1753
01:20:48,140 --> 01:20:44,580
it showed up with new yard showed up

1754
01:20:50,510 --> 01:20:48,150
with Melinda as well every single one of

1755
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:50,520
the people that we talked to they when

1756
01:20:53,710 --> 01:20:52,410
they were able to get to a level of

1757
01:20:58,190 --> 01:20:53,720
vulnerability

1758
01:21:02,120 --> 01:20:58,200
it was visceral and I wish I really wish

1759
01:21:04,070 --> 01:21:02,130
that we could capture that level in an

1760
01:21:06,890 --> 01:21:04,080
hour and 45 minutes and I'm gonna give

1761
01:21:08,060 --> 01:21:06,900
us ours are a little plug here because

1762
01:21:09,440 --> 01:21:08,070
one of the things that we're going to do

1763
01:21:12,230 --> 01:21:09,450
is we want to continue to tell these

1764
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:12,240
stories and and the best way that we can

1765
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:14,730
do it is not by going out and asking

1766
01:21:19,460 --> 01:21:16,800
people to loan us money to make a film

1767
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:19,470
once a year the best way that we can do

1768
01:21:23,390 --> 01:21:21,120
it is to make content on an ongoing

1769
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:23,400
basis and our team is willing to do that

1770
01:21:27,500 --> 01:21:25,770
if we have the money to support us to do

1771
01:21:29,540 --> 01:21:27,510
it so we're going to be starting a

1772
01:21:33,020 --> 01:21:29,550
patreon account within the next few

1773
01:21:36,020 --> 01:21:33,030
weeks and our goal would be to share all

1774
01:21:40,210 --> 01:21:36,030
of the interviews the raw interviews so

1775
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:40,220
we will have those available in their

1776
01:21:46,250 --> 01:21:43,650
matei most of their entirety in the

1777
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:46,260
coming months on this patreon account so

1778
01:21:50,060 --> 01:21:47,730
that people can go on that journey that

1779
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:50,070
we went through and see some of this the

1780
01:21:53,390 --> 01:21:52,080
powerful moments that we weren't able to

1781
01:21:55,370 --> 01:21:53,400
get into the film I think it's really

1782
01:21:57,650 --> 01:21:55,380
important to spend that time and I think

1783
01:22:00,140 --> 01:21:57,660
when people do spend the time that we

1784
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:00,150
spend with individuals they'll have a

1785
01:22:05,900 --> 01:22:03,360
much better appreciation for the journey

1786
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:05,910
that they go through to get to that

1787
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:08,400
point of being vulnerable to sharing the

1788
01:22:14,570 --> 01:22:12,480
deepest most disturbing most amazing

1789
01:22:17,300 --> 01:22:14,580
parts of their their personal stories

1790
01:22:18,830 --> 01:22:17,310
well I'm in will help you support that

1791
01:22:21,230 --> 01:22:18,840
so just let us know when it's up and

1792
01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:21,240
running and and we'll get it out there

1793
01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:23,820
for you we've got two minutes I'll throw

1794
01:22:32,090 --> 01:22:27,510
this over to Jack Jack the commonality

1795
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:32,100
between all of them was that let's let's

1796
01:22:40,700 --> 01:22:35,570
get down specifically to types of beings

1797
01:22:44,210 --> 01:22:40,710
was there yeah is there one race of ET

1798
01:22:46,169 --> 01:22:44,220
that is doing this or is it you know

1799
01:22:48,780 --> 01:22:46,179
multiple races there a lot of planets

1800
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:48,790
there's a trillion planets in our Milky

1801
01:22:59,610 --> 01:22:52,719
Way alone well us like Clifford stone

1802
01:23:02,010 --> 01:22:59,620
says there's 57 known ET races that have

1803
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:02,020
visited earth according to the military

1804
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:03,810
now that's coming from a whistleblower

1805
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:09,130
and fascinating man but yeah most of the

1806
01:23:14,370 --> 01:23:12,130
time people there there seem to be greys

1807
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:14,380
involved in these abduction scenarios

1808
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:17,170
but there it varies and a lot of times

1809
01:23:23,010 --> 01:23:19,330
there's more than one well you wear

1810
01:23:27,570 --> 01:23:23,020
you'll have some kind of a tall Nordic

1811
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:27,580
or a reptilian looking creature or a

1812
01:23:34,590 --> 01:23:30,880
sometimes insectoid looking creature in

1813
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:34,600
the background and then the ETS are

1814
01:23:39,090 --> 01:23:36,159
doing all the work and they're

1815
01:23:41,310 --> 01:23:39,100
overseeing them you hear that a lot and

1816
01:23:46,020 --> 01:23:41,320
a lot of times you hear about these tall

1817
01:23:48,810 --> 01:23:46,030
Nordics as as screen memories as some

1818
01:23:51,149 --> 01:23:48,820
kind of a that they're not really tall

1819
01:23:53,610 --> 01:23:51,159
blond very attractive human looking

1820
01:23:55,919 --> 01:23:53,620
people and the reason why we're being

1821
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:55,929
made to see them is to for the

1822
01:24:02,180 --> 01:23:57,850
experiences to relax and be more

1823
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:02,190
comfortable but in fact they're not tall

1824
01:24:08,250 --> 01:24:05,199
blonde Nordic looking people they're

1825
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:08,260
actually either reptilian or insectoid

1826
01:24:12,660 --> 01:24:09,850
looking ETS

1827
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:12,670
so you tend to hear the same types of

1828
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:16,239
ETS mostly it's the greys and some

1829
01:24:21,209 --> 01:24:18,400
describe them as small as three and a

1830
01:24:24,689 --> 01:24:21,219
half feet tall two as tall as six feet

1831
01:24:27,419 --> 01:24:24,699
tall or even even even larger than that

1832
01:24:29,340 --> 01:24:27,429
let's take our next break right here

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01:24:31,490 --> 01:24:29,350
this is fade to black I am your host

1834
01:24:33,570 --> 01:24:31,500
Jimmy Church tonight we're discussing

1835
01:24:36,090 --> 01:24:33,580
extraordinary the seating with director

1836
01:24:37,649 --> 01:24:36,100
John sample and writer Jack Roth this is

1837
01:24:40,330 --> 01:24:37,659
fade to black and the game changer

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01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:40,340
network and Keiji are a

1839
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:54,009
[Music]

1840
01:24:57,470 --> 01:24:56,029
welcome back fade to black I'm real

1841
01:24:59,479 --> 01:24:57,480
Jimmy Church on the game changer

1842
01:25:03,350 --> 01:24:59,489
networking KCRA the planet you can

1843
01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:03,360
follow me on twitter @jj do simple

1844
01:25:07,250 --> 01:25:04,860
enough the conversation going on in

1845
01:25:09,470 --> 01:25:07,260
twitter tonight is off the rails I

1846
01:25:11,089 --> 01:25:09,480
expected that we are discussing the film

1847
01:25:13,729 --> 01:25:11,099
extraordinary the seating with director

1848
01:25:15,589 --> 01:25:13,739
John sample and writer Jack Roth and I

1849
01:25:17,930 --> 01:25:15,599
was watching some of the comments fly by

1850
01:25:19,339 --> 01:25:17,940
here in in Twitter and in the and

1851
01:25:22,250 --> 01:25:19,349
they're moving too fast for me to keep

1852
01:25:26,330 --> 01:25:22,260
up with but the conversation right now

1853
01:25:29,569 --> 01:25:26,340
is about Geraldine and in Twitter and

1854
01:25:32,259 --> 01:25:29,579
one of the comments was she she gives

1855
01:25:34,729 --> 01:25:32,269
one of the best presentations on

1856
01:25:38,689 --> 01:25:34,739
abductions and what is going on out

1857
01:25:42,490 --> 01:25:38,699
there currently how did you guys

1858
01:25:45,770 --> 01:25:42,500
approach bringing her into the project

1859
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:45,780
we found out about her gosh I think it

1860
01:25:50,089 --> 01:25:48,000
was from Lori and Fenton made a

1861
01:25:52,009 --> 01:25:50,099
recommendation to us to say here's a

1862
01:25:54,379 --> 01:25:52,019
story for somebody up in the Bay Area

1863
01:25:58,759 --> 01:25:54,389
that you really should you know listen

1864
01:26:01,220 --> 01:25:58,769
to so we we gave her a call and we we

1865
01:26:07,580 --> 01:26:01,230
spoke to her the first time it was in I

1866
01:26:10,580 --> 01:26:07,590
think it was December of 27 or 2018 no

1867
01:26:13,250 --> 01:26:10,590
2017 no must say it must been right

1868
01:26:14,899 --> 01:26:13,260
early on in in 2000 might have been

1869
01:26:18,649 --> 01:26:14,909
January's either December or January

1870
01:26:20,839 --> 01:26:18,659
and she was not not very well known she

1871
01:26:23,660 --> 01:26:20,849
wasn't doing anything that was I would

1872
01:26:27,169 --> 01:26:23,670
say grand at the time as she is I

1873
01:26:28,660 --> 01:26:27,179
consider the rock star now and you know

1874
01:26:30,919 --> 01:26:28,670
we could say that we knew her went

1875
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:30,929
because there on our first phone call

1876
01:26:38,930 --> 01:26:35,130
she was very I would say not reserved

1877
01:26:41,870 --> 01:26:38,940
but timid in not trying to over state

1878
01:26:43,310 --> 01:26:41,880
her story she was very cautious she

1879
01:26:45,459 --> 01:26:43,320
didn't want to you know she didn't want

1880
01:26:48,169 --> 01:26:45,469
to come across as as someone who was

1881
01:26:51,229 --> 01:26:48,179
over selling her story she was very

1882
01:26:53,060 --> 01:26:51,239
polite she was very a soft-spoken and as

1883
01:26:55,009 --> 01:26:53,070
we you know got to know her over the

1884
01:26:56,569 --> 01:26:55,019
course of a few phone calls she opened

1885
01:26:58,700 --> 01:26:56,579
up you know more and more we learned

1886
01:27:00,529 --> 01:26:58,710
more and more about her but you know her

1887
01:27:02,569 --> 01:27:00,539
story to me is one of the ones with it

1888
01:27:03,979 --> 01:27:02,579
that is an important one to tell because

1889
01:27:05,420 --> 01:27:03,989
the three principal people we have in

1890
01:27:08,150 --> 01:27:05,430
there are April rabe

1891
01:27:12,650 --> 01:27:08,160
and Geraldine and three very very

1892
01:27:14,990 --> 01:27:12,660
different stories and the that there's

1893
01:27:17,900 --> 01:27:15,000
commonality between them but one thing

1894
01:27:20,060 --> 01:27:17,910
that I would urge people to notice in

1895
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:20,070
this film is that you have April has

1896
01:27:26,180 --> 01:27:24,000
this kind of surprised by all the things

1897
01:27:29,300 --> 01:27:26,190
that happen to her and there's there's a

1898
01:27:32,090 --> 01:27:29,310
you know a little bit of naivete as it

1899
01:27:33,620 --> 01:27:32,100
pertains to ufology in and it's in the

1900
01:27:35,540 --> 01:27:33,630
grand scheme of things and I write me

1901
01:27:37,790 --> 01:27:35,550
not in a negative way right I mean it

1902
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:37,800
that it she's she's being exposed to it

1903
01:27:41,630 --> 01:27:39,810
she's learning all about it you have Rob

1904
01:27:44,420 --> 01:27:41,640
who has gone through something so

1905
01:27:47,330 --> 01:27:44,430
profound he's he has even said that I

1906
01:27:50,420 --> 01:27:47,340
feel more comfortable off planet than I

1907
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:50,430
would than I do on planet his

1908
01:27:54,740 --> 01:27:52,410
consciousness is transforming as a

1909
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:54,750
result of what he's gone through and and

1910
01:27:59,960 --> 01:27:57,600
Geraldine has has had a pretty profound

1911
01:28:03,160 --> 01:27:59,970
transformation she was a very successful

1912
01:28:07,310 --> 01:28:03,170
businesswoman she had an experience in

1913
01:28:09,500 --> 01:28:07,320
2013 that really kind of woke her up to

1914
01:28:12,260 --> 01:28:09,510
everything that that she now knows and

1915
01:28:14,420 --> 01:28:12,270
has been exposed to and she shortly

1916
01:28:16,340 --> 01:28:14,430
after experience she started seeing

1917
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:16,350
somebody eventually got engaged shared

1918
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:19,530
her story after they got and started

1919
01:28:24,770 --> 01:28:22,170
seeing each other and and was basically

1920
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:24,780
told by the individual which a lot of

1921
01:28:28,460 --> 01:28:26,730
people have said to partners who have

1922
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:28,470
been through this is this is something

1923
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:29,970
you don't really want to talk about to

1924
01:28:34,220 --> 01:28:32,490
friends and family and and and and in

1925
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:34,230
your work because it could be damaging

1926
01:28:38,030 --> 01:28:36,090
and if someday we have kids you know

1927
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:38,040
what would they think of if their mom

1928
01:28:44,780 --> 01:28:41,010
was telling these stories so she buried

1929
01:28:45,980 --> 01:28:44,790
it for four years and then in 2017 in

1930
01:28:48,740 --> 01:28:45,990
January and February she had

1931
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:48,750
back-to-back regressions and was exposed

1932
01:28:55,190 --> 01:28:53,010
to profound information and experiences

1933
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:55,200
that she had been through and a

1934
01:29:00,020 --> 01:28:57,600
connection to the electromagnetic field

1935
01:29:03,410 --> 01:29:00,030
and energy that was just like a flip of

1936
01:29:05,870 --> 01:29:03,420
a switch and she was connected and after

1937
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:05,880
the first regression she ended the

1938
01:29:09,890 --> 01:29:07,890
relationship that she was in and after

1939
01:29:11,870 --> 01:29:09,900
the second regression a month later she

1940
01:29:13,580 --> 01:29:11,880
she quit her job and said I need to

1941
01:29:15,410 --> 01:29:13,590
dedicate my life to helping people

1942
01:29:18,020 --> 01:29:15,420
who've been through

1943
01:29:21,050 --> 01:29:18,030
what I've experienced and she has

1944
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:21,060
dedicated her life since then to helping

1945
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:23,850
people and you know over the course of

1946
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:25,530
the last year and a half since we've

1947
01:29:31,220 --> 01:29:28,800
engaged with her it has been it has been

1948
01:29:33,260 --> 01:29:31,230
an amazing amazing journey to see what

1949
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:33,270
she has done and the role that she is

1950
01:29:40,910 --> 01:29:36,210
playing so she is somebody who who was

1951
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:40,920
in some ways reconnected to herself her

1952
01:29:46,100 --> 01:29:43,890
her her purpose for lack of a better

1953
01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:46,110
term tapped on the shoulder that your

1954
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:48,450
work it's time to do work and she

1955
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:50,370
responded to it in a very different way

1956
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:53,120
so not everybody has this horrific

1957
01:30:00,980 --> 01:29:57,360
experience that has them curled up in a

1958
01:30:02,540 --> 01:30:00,990
ball it's profound it was horrific if

1959
01:30:04,970 --> 01:30:02,550
you talk to her she say it was horrific

1960
01:30:07,820 --> 01:30:04,980
every part of it was horrific but she's

1961
01:30:09,230 --> 01:30:07,830
transformed that into something and

1962
01:30:10,730 --> 01:30:09,240
channeled that energy into something

1963
01:30:13,670 --> 01:30:10,740
that where she can help other people

1964
01:30:15,410 --> 01:30:13,680
you're both members of the media whether

1965
01:30:19,700 --> 01:30:15,420
you want to admit it or not it's your

1966
01:30:22,900 --> 01:30:19,710
gig it's what you do the last two years

1967
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:22,910
we've seen the subject of UFOs

1968
01:30:29,110 --> 01:30:26,970
completely explode and it's never been

1969
01:30:32,630 --> 01:30:29,120
like this in the history of this planet

1970
01:30:35,570 --> 01:30:32,640
ultimately I'll throw this over to Jack

1971
01:30:36,440 --> 01:30:35,580
first Jack what do you think is going on

1972
01:30:39,860 --> 01:30:36,450
here

1973
01:30:44,270 --> 01:30:39,870
is this is this the media is this the

1974
01:30:48,500 --> 01:30:44,280
media being guided by agencies and in

1975
01:30:50,810 --> 01:30:48,510
the Pentagon is this part of the status

1976
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:50,820
quo and pop culture pushing this forward

1977
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:53,370
is it ancient aliens fault you know I

1978
01:30:58,330 --> 01:30:56,970
don't know but but what what is it what

1979
01:31:01,130 --> 01:30:58,340
is going on here

1980
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:01,140
well I think the idea of the social

1981
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:03,090
media and global connection is we're all

1982
01:31:08,570 --> 01:31:06,090
we're so much more connected now that

1983
01:31:10,850 --> 01:31:08,580
it's harder for I honestly think it's a

1984
01:31:13,370 --> 01:31:10,860
slow drip and I think that the

1985
01:31:17,570 --> 01:31:13,380
government is trying to put feelers out

1986
01:31:18,770 --> 01:31:17,580
there does that - to determine well what

1987
01:31:20,660 --> 01:31:18,780
would how are people going to react to

1988
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:20,670
this how are going to people how are

1989
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:23,280
people going to react to us saying okay

1990
01:31:28,260 --> 01:31:25,770
the Pentagon knew that you know we were

1991
01:31:30,150 --> 01:31:28,270
interested in UFOs and

1992
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:30,160
and what they were bah blah blah so it's

1993
01:31:35,910 --> 01:31:32,770
again slow drip but I have to be honest

1994
01:31:37,890 --> 01:31:35,920
and and I wouldn't have said this seven

1995
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:37,900
eight years ago before we started doing

1996
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:40,330
the Stan Romanick story but after we've

1997
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:42,970
done everything we've done I honestly

1998
01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:47,410
don't think that disclosure full

1999
01:31:54,990 --> 01:31:50,320
disclosure is coming and the reason I

2000
01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:55,000
say that is I on at this point they've

2001
01:32:01,770 --> 01:31:57,690
committed crimes against humanity I

2002
01:32:04,770 --> 01:32:01,780
really believe that I think that even if

2003
01:32:09,330 --> 01:32:04,780
it's even if the end game is ascension

2004
01:32:11,070 --> 01:32:09,340
and it's a it's a next step in human

2005
01:32:11,780 --> 01:32:11,080
evolution and we're all going to benefit

2006
01:32:15,420 --> 01:32:11,790
from it

2007
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:15,430
someone has to pay for the means to the

2008
01:32:23,670 --> 01:32:19,090
end and what they've done to people in

2009
01:32:28,790 --> 01:32:23,680
this process is horrific and there's no

2010
01:32:32,250 --> 01:32:28,800
you keep you there's it is literally

2011
01:32:33,780 --> 01:32:32,260
something that is a crime some people

2012
01:32:35,190 --> 01:32:33,790
being taken against their will so I

2013
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:35,200
don't know if the government can

2014
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:37,450
backtrack and say oh we knew all along

2015
01:32:42,590 --> 01:32:40,480
we knew about this but you know what it

2016
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:42,600
was all good for humanity so

2017
01:32:49,050 --> 01:32:45,850
everything's hunky-dory I think that

2018
01:32:51,690 --> 01:32:49,060
there have been very dark agendas

2019
01:32:53,670 --> 01:32:51,700
associated with this and I don't think

2020
01:32:55,980 --> 01:32:53,680
that the government can just come out

2021
01:32:59,220 --> 01:32:55,990
and say hey you know full disclosure we

2022
01:33:01,920 --> 01:32:59,230
knew we're not alone I just don't think

2023
01:33:04,340 --> 01:33:01,930
it can happen John what do you think is

2024
01:33:06,690 --> 01:33:04,350
going on you think it's the military

2025
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:06,700
driving this and the Pentagon and three

2026
01:33:14,100 --> 01:33:11,890
three-letter agencies I think you know I

2027
01:33:16,470 --> 01:33:14,110
I try to look at it and I guess this is

2028
01:33:19,890 --> 01:33:16,480
gonna sound you know some people might

2029
01:33:22,530 --> 01:33:19,900
think I'm nuts but I try to look at this

2030
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:22,540
more from a cosmic perspective and you

2031
01:33:28,170 --> 01:33:26,050
know I don't mean that as a new-agey

2032
01:33:30,540 --> 01:33:28,180
point of view I do I try to think of you

2033
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:30,550
know from a Universal cosmic approach

2034
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:34,690
that you know if we all come from you

2035
01:33:39,900 --> 01:33:36,370
know if whether it's the Big Bang Theory

2036
01:33:41,470 --> 01:33:39,910
or you know if you believe in the the

2037
01:33:43,270 --> 01:33:41,480
biblical narrative

2038
01:33:45,490 --> 01:33:43,280
organized religion that we come from

2039
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:45,500
source we come from you know a single

2040
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:48,290
energy we come from god or a god or gods

2041
01:33:56,110 --> 01:33:52,010
whatever your belief system might be it

2042
01:33:58,300 --> 01:33:56,120
so if these beings are out there doing

2043
01:34:02,440 --> 01:33:58,310
the things that they're doing they all

2044
01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:02,450
come from from the same beginning so we

2045
01:34:07,480 --> 01:34:04,490
are all connected in some way shape or

2046
01:34:09,940 --> 01:34:07,490
form what we can't comprehend is the

2047
01:34:12,100 --> 01:34:09,950
connection and that's the part I think

2048
01:34:14,410 --> 01:34:12,110
that we have a very very difficult time

2049
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:14,420
I think a lot of the things that happen

2050
01:34:18,670 --> 01:34:16,490
on planet earth are all about

2051
01:34:21,130 --> 01:34:18,680
controlling the masses there's a lot of

2052
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:21,140
control mechanisms put in place do you

2053
01:34:26,020 --> 01:34:24,170
keep realities from people and I'm not

2054
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:26,030
saying that from a conspiracy theory

2055
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:28,250
point of view I'm saying that from you

2056
01:34:32,530 --> 01:34:29,600
know just some of the obvious things

2057
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:32,540
that we see on a regular basis in the

2058
01:34:39,670 --> 01:34:36,490
media through politicians through

2059
01:34:42,700 --> 01:34:39,680
religion there is a lot of controlling

2060
01:34:44,530 --> 01:34:42,710
for the benefit sometimes they will say

2061
01:34:46,330 --> 01:34:44,540
was for the good of all people and you

2062
01:34:48,460 --> 01:34:46,340
know jack is mentioned as many times and

2063
01:34:50,830 --> 01:34:48,470
in in our conversations and some of the

2064
01:34:53,770 --> 01:34:50,840
interviews that we've done is that a lot

2065
01:34:55,300 --> 01:34:53,780
of times the government keeping

2066
01:34:58,210 --> 01:34:55,310
information from us

2067
01:34:59,830 --> 01:34:58,220
is healthy because we might not have a

2068
01:35:02,470 --> 01:34:59,840
place for it so think about during the

2069
01:35:05,380 --> 01:35:02,480
Cold War if something came out that

2070
01:35:08,500 --> 01:35:05,390
there was something out there that had

2071
01:35:09,970 --> 01:35:08,510
the power to take us over in the media

2072
01:35:12,430 --> 01:35:09,980
connection would be well the Russians

2073
01:35:15,130 --> 01:35:12,440
have something and and and that's that's

2074
01:35:17,290 --> 01:35:15,140
bad so at that time frame there was a

2075
01:35:18,970 --> 01:35:17,300
different mentality so today we have a

2076
01:35:19,930 --> 01:35:18,980
completely different perspective but I

2077
01:35:22,090 --> 01:35:19,940
think we're a little bit more

2078
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:22,100
cosmically oriented than we were then

2079
01:35:27,580 --> 01:35:25,010
but not necessarily in a way that has us

2080
01:35:29,950 --> 01:35:27,590
understanding that there's a new physics

2081
01:35:32,440 --> 01:35:29,960
out there that there is an ability to

2082
01:35:34,780 --> 01:35:32,450
bend spend space and time that there is

2083
01:35:38,620 --> 01:35:34,790
the ability to travel long distances in

2084
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:38,630
a matter of seconds you know in we just

2085
01:35:43,930 --> 01:35:41,600
can't comprehend that so I've said this

2086
01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:43,940
before is that you know when you think

2087
01:35:49,870 --> 01:35:47,600
about where we were a hundred years ago

2088
01:35:52,570 --> 01:35:49,880
five hundred years ago a thousand years

2089
01:35:54,850 --> 01:35:52,580
ago versus where we are today no one in

2090
01:35:55,370 --> 01:35:54,860
the in the past would have thought we

2091
01:35:58,520 --> 01:35:55,380
would be

2092
01:36:01,160 --> 01:35:58,530
we are today and no one would think you

2093
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:01,170
know you know 500 years from now or even

2094
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:03,690
a hundred years from now that we were in

2095
01:36:07,250 --> 01:36:05,280
our right minds because we had this

2096
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:07,260
current belief system or structure or

2097
01:36:09,860 --> 01:36:08,610
understanding of science or

2098
01:36:11,990 --> 01:36:09,870
understanding of religion or

2099
01:36:14,510 --> 01:36:12,000
understanding of the cosmos so it

2100
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:14,520
there's an evolution that that goes on

2101
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:17,370
and we're a part of something that is

2102
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:19,410
evolving and unfolding before our very

2103
01:36:24,650 --> 01:36:21,810
eyes and I really don't think disclosure

2104
01:36:26,300 --> 01:36:24,660
comes from you know those in control I

2105
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:26,310
think it comes from the people who are

2106
01:36:31,100 --> 01:36:28,770
having the experiences and being brave

2107
01:36:33,740 --> 01:36:31,110
enough to share them on a regular basis

2108
01:36:36,610 --> 01:36:33,750
you know it's just it's just something

2109
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:36,620
that deserves more attention from

2110
01:36:41,300 --> 01:36:39,210
free-thinking people and people who

2111
01:36:43,790 --> 01:36:41,310
might be you know never get gave thought

2112
01:36:47,630 --> 01:36:43,800
to it before well as the director of

2113
01:36:51,650 --> 01:36:47,640
this film you're expecting and hoping

2114
01:36:53,900 --> 01:36:51,660
for reaction good or bad you want people

2115
01:36:56,450 --> 01:36:53,910
to see the film right right you want

2116
01:36:59,950 --> 01:36:56,460
those reactions it's the same thing I

2117
01:37:04,730 --> 01:36:59,960
would suspect coming from Washington as

2118
01:37:08,900 --> 01:37:04,740
this disclosure seems to be being rolled

2119
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:08,910
out motivated by them the reaction of

2120
01:37:13,190 --> 01:37:09,840
the planet

2121
01:37:14,990 --> 01:37:13,200
I think we handled it pretty well right

2122
01:37:17,930 --> 01:37:15,000
I don't think anybody jumped off of any

2123
01:37:23,150 --> 01:37:17,940
buildings did they well what do you

2124
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:23,160
think about that well yeah I agree I

2125
01:37:28,250 --> 01:37:25,890
think that we are more aware were more

2126
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:28,260
conscious cosmically conscious as john

2127
01:37:33,980 --> 01:37:31,410
said and i think we are we're ready I

2128
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:33,990
think the general public is much more

2129
01:37:39,820 --> 01:37:36,330
ready than they ever have been I still

2130
01:37:43,460 --> 01:37:39,830
think there are segments of society

2131
01:37:45,380 --> 01:37:43,470
whether it's due to indoctrination old

2132
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:45,390
indoctrinations that are still gonna

2133
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:47,610
have a really hard time with that if

2134
01:37:53,150 --> 01:37:51,360
it's ever if it ever comes out that we

2135
01:37:54,650 --> 01:37:53,160
are alone in the universe and we have

2136
01:37:56,090 --> 01:37:54,660
been visited I still think there would

2137
01:37:58,010 --> 01:37:56,100
be people have a hard time with it but I

2138
01:38:00,410 --> 01:37:58,020
think for the most part we're as ready

2139
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:00,420
now as we ever have been and

2140
01:38:04,700 --> 01:38:02,730
we I think we'll handle it a lot better

2141
01:38:06,050 --> 01:38:04,710
but again I think they have a problem on

2142
01:38:08,380 --> 01:38:06,060
their hands they have a serious problem

2143
01:38:11,209 --> 01:38:08,390
because they KITT they can't justify

2144
01:38:13,669 --> 01:38:11,219
what's happened in the last 60 and 70

2145
01:38:16,150 --> 01:38:13,679
years they just can't do it so how do

2146
01:38:20,540 --> 01:38:16,160
you come out all of a sudden and say

2147
01:38:22,669 --> 01:38:20,550
yeah you know well we we've known we've

2148
01:38:24,590 --> 01:38:22,679
been in contact and we are not alone in

2149
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:24,600
the universe and meet our meet our

2150
01:38:29,780 --> 01:38:27,360
galactic neighbors it's not that simple

2151
01:38:32,689 --> 01:38:29,790
no it's not that simple and you write

2152
01:38:36,110 --> 01:38:32,699
about the abduction phenomenon and being

2153
01:38:38,180 --> 01:38:36,120
taken against our will that that is

2154
01:38:41,870 --> 01:38:38,190
something that's going to make a lot of

2155
01:38:46,580 --> 01:38:41,880
people angry but if this planet finds

2156
01:38:49,790 --> 01:38:46,590
out that state actors have had in their

2157
01:38:52,370 --> 01:38:49,800
possession you know free energy the

2158
01:38:54,590 --> 01:38:52,380
ability to travel and transportation in

2159
01:38:58,820 --> 01:38:54,600
heat homes and electricity and feed the

2160
01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:58,830
world and feed people that that is a

2161
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:00,239
problem I don't think that they could

2162
01:39:09,650 --> 01:39:06,210
overcome agreed wait my cousin said to

2163
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:09,660
me this is many many many years ago as a

2164
01:39:14,330 --> 01:39:11,520
fine let's go five years ago might have

2165
01:39:17,419 --> 01:39:14,340
even been okay look five years ago and

2166
01:39:21,500 --> 01:39:17,429
he said you know this is this is my take

2167
01:39:26,090 --> 01:39:21,510
he said finding out that we are not

2168
01:39:30,979 --> 01:39:26,100
alone in the universe would allow the

2169
01:39:33,650 --> 01:39:30,989
planet to have a reason to live okay and

2170
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:33,660
he said if we found out that we were

2171
01:39:37,900 --> 01:39:37,199
alone in the universe and that was the

2172
01:39:41,660 --> 01:39:37,910
truth

2173
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:41,670
then we don't have a reason to live we

2174
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:43,530
might as well just burn this planet down

2175
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:46,410
there's no reason to move forward and

2176
01:39:52,729 --> 01:39:49,290
that would throw everybody into a spiral

2177
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:52,739
of depression and I thought that was one

2178
01:39:58,669 --> 01:39:55,890
of the most profound statements you know

2179
01:40:01,790 --> 01:39:58,679
and it stuck with me and if you really

2180
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:01,800
think about it right if we're not alone

2181
01:40:06,350 --> 01:40:03,600
in the universe then there's a reason to

2182
01:40:08,990 --> 01:40:06,360
make friends and to move forward and to

2183
01:40:12,830 --> 01:40:09,000
figure out how to get together and you

2184
01:40:14,030 --> 01:40:12,840
know there's a reason to live overall

2185
01:40:18,890 --> 01:40:14,040
but if we're

2186
01:40:21,860 --> 01:40:18,900
alone who cares this is like wow what

2187
01:40:23,390 --> 01:40:21,870
what a strong statement I I think that

2188
01:40:26,690 --> 01:40:23,400
we need to move forward in the other

2189
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:26,700
direction I really think that we need to

2190
01:40:32,810 --> 01:40:30,210
have a reason to stop fighting amongst

2191
01:40:36,070 --> 01:40:32,820
each other and and figure out how to be

2192
01:40:39,410 --> 01:40:36,080
earthlings you know and without borders

2193
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:39,420
well one of the things that I shared

2194
01:40:44,030 --> 01:40:41,210
before too that I think is a very

2195
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:44,040
interesting take from some and this

2196
01:40:47,690 --> 01:40:45,570
might resonate with people who are on

2197
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:47,700
sitting on the fence and and if you're

2198
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:49,290
listening you know think about it from

2199
01:40:56,630 --> 01:40:51,090
this point of view is that one of the

2200
01:40:59,480 --> 01:40:56,640
when we screen the film in the Stan

2201
01:41:00,890 --> 01:40:59,490
Romanick film back in 2013 at the Fort

2202
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:00,900
Lauderdale International Film Festival I

2203
01:41:06,890 --> 01:41:04,130
had a friend who went to the festival

2204
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:06,900
watched the film and she was she

2205
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:08,610
basically was going to support me and

2206
01:41:12,350 --> 01:41:10,410
had we had a lot of people there that

2207
01:41:14,300 --> 01:41:12,360
night that went to support us because

2208
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:14,310
Jack Jamie and I all have connections to

2209
01:41:19,190 --> 01:41:16,800
South Florida so we had a it was a love

2210
01:41:22,100 --> 01:41:19,200
fest but everybody that left the theater

2211
01:41:23,810 --> 01:41:22,110
that night I think was shocked by what

2212
01:41:25,820 --> 01:41:23,820
they saw because they weren't expecting

2213
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:25,830
it they weren't you know fans of the

2214
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:28,170
genre necessarily they were curious

2215
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:31,290
about what Jack Jon and Jamie did and as

2216
01:41:35,480 --> 01:41:33,210
a result of that we had a lot of people

2217
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:35,490
who were you know never really gave a

2218
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:37,530
lot of thought to it fence sitters and

2219
01:41:40,580 --> 01:41:39,210
you know maybe didn't and a couple

2220
01:41:42,350 --> 01:41:40,590
people's like you know I don't know if I

2221
01:41:45,260 --> 01:41:42,360
agree but you guys did a great job with

2222
01:41:47,090 --> 01:41:45,270
the storytelling but we we had you know

2223
01:41:48,140 --> 01:41:47,100
several people come up to us after that

2224
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:48,150
and they were just kind of blown away

2225
01:41:52,130 --> 01:41:50,250
and I had one friend who didn't talk to

2226
01:41:53,930 --> 01:41:52,140
me until a couple days after the

2227
01:41:56,150 --> 01:41:53,940
screening and she said you know I really

2228
01:41:58,610 --> 01:41:56,160
needed to think about it before I had a

2229
01:42:01,160 --> 01:41:58,620
conversation with you because I have to

2230
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:01,170
be honest with you I never thought that

2231
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:03,600
this existed beyond science fiction

2232
01:42:08,090 --> 01:42:06,210
films I never thought that this is

2233
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:08,100
something that was happening to real

2234
01:42:14,060 --> 01:42:11,850
people and and you you basically in the

2235
01:42:16,730 --> 01:42:14,070
presentation of the film blew my mind

2236
01:42:20,810 --> 01:42:16,740
because I didn't have a place in my head

2237
01:42:23,450 --> 01:42:20,820
for how this possibly could be happening

2238
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:23,460
to people today are you so were you

2239
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:25,970
surprised by that kind of reaction I

2240
01:42:31,890 --> 01:42:27,370
wasn't

2241
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:31,900
there are people who in this world who

2242
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:33,850
are comfortable kind of with the way

2243
01:42:39,210 --> 01:42:36,730
things are it's their life is not

2244
01:42:41,460 --> 01:42:39,220
disrupted too badly and they're just

2245
01:42:43,260 --> 01:42:41,470
they're there they're enjoying their

2246
01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:43,270
life they're moving through life they're

2247
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:44,800
moving through the things that happen to

2248
01:42:49,710 --> 01:42:46,960
them on a daily basis and don't spend a

2249
01:42:51,900 --> 01:42:49,720
lot of time you know going beyond what

2250
01:42:53,340 --> 01:42:51,910
is in front of them and what is you know

2251
01:42:55,440 --> 01:42:53,350
there's there's a case to be made for

2252
01:42:57,690 --> 01:42:55,450
being present but there's also a case I

2253
01:42:59,640 --> 01:42:57,700
think to be made for thinking about why

2254
01:43:01,680 --> 01:42:59,650
why we're here you know what's next

2255
01:43:04,710 --> 01:43:01,690
where are we going how are we evolving

2256
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:04,720
and one of the themes in the film which

2257
01:43:09,570 --> 01:43:06,850
I strongly encourage people to pick up

2258
01:43:11,310 --> 01:43:09,580
on and we have to thank Richard Dolan

2259
01:43:12,210 --> 01:43:11,320
for this because he mentioned it in the

2260
01:43:13,950 --> 01:43:12,220
very beginning

2261
01:43:15,950 --> 01:43:13,960
and Richard was one of the I think the

2262
01:43:18,570 --> 01:43:15,960
first expert interviews that we did and

2263
01:43:21,540 --> 01:43:18,580
before we started rolling the cameras he

2264
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:21,550
mentioned Ralph Waldo Emerson and he

2265
01:43:26,490 --> 01:43:24,250
said he mentioned specifically his essay

2266
01:43:29,550 --> 01:43:26,500
on circles and he talked about the whole

2267
01:43:32,430 --> 01:43:29,560
idea of expanding circles and it's you

2268
01:43:35,100 --> 01:43:32,440
know as we expand our thoughts it all it

2269
01:43:37,170 --> 01:43:35,110
does is is encourages new questions so

2270
01:43:38,460 --> 01:43:37,180
once we figure something out once we

2271
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:38,470
push the envelope

2272
01:43:44,460 --> 01:43:41,440
once we evolve to a new level of thought

2273
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:44,470
and existence it opens up a whole bunch

2274
01:43:47,820 --> 01:43:45,970
of new questions we haven't figured

2275
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:47,830
anything out we've just pushed the

2276
01:43:51,690 --> 01:43:49,570
boundaries of knowledge and awareness

2277
01:43:53,460 --> 01:43:51,700
further and further out and when he said

2278
01:43:55,710 --> 01:43:53,470
that I was and in that moment it was

2279
01:43:57,450 --> 01:43:55,720
like this is really good this is a great

2280
01:43:59,490 --> 01:43:57,460
theme for the whole film and it becomes

2281
01:44:01,530 --> 01:43:59,500
a theme throughout the whole film

2282
01:44:04,290 --> 01:44:01,540
because that whole idea of whatever we

2283
01:44:07,020 --> 01:44:04,300
expand thought we just have to know that

2284
01:44:09,210 --> 01:44:07,030
it's going to expand again and again and

2285
01:44:12,690 --> 01:44:09,220
again and I think it's foolish for us

2286
01:44:14,730 --> 01:44:12,700
not to think that there's possibilities

2287
01:44:18,330 --> 01:44:14,740
beyond what we currently understand

2288
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:18,340
today for us as humanity for us as

2289
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:21,090
beings on this earth and for us as

2290
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:24,610
galactic citizens so if you think about

2291
01:44:28,710 --> 01:44:26,290
it from that point of way like you were

2292
01:44:30,210 --> 01:44:28,720
mentioning earlier it kind of cool to

2293
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:30,220
think that there might be a connection

2294
01:44:33,810 --> 01:44:31,810
to something much bigger than we

2295
01:44:35,340 --> 01:44:33,820
currently understand today the

2296
01:44:38,220 --> 01:44:35,350
implications of it coming to fruition

2297
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:38,230
are profound and they may be hard to

2298
01:44:42,170 --> 01:44:40,410
grasp but

2299
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:42,180
what's wrong with the idea of some of

2300
01:44:45,980 --> 01:44:43,770
the science fiction films that we see

2301
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:45,990
today where you have multiple you know

2302
01:44:53,110 --> 01:44:49,290
beings cohabitating on a planet or on a

2303
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:53,120
ship or on a on a space station that

2304
01:44:58,970 --> 01:44:55,920
that seems like it could be more real

2305
01:45:03,080 --> 01:44:58,980
than we've ever imagined before what

2306
01:45:06,260 --> 01:45:03,090
what I am afraid of and especially in

2307
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:06,270
our sixty second news cycle right it's

2308
01:45:15,310 --> 01:45:09,330
no longer 24 hours we have a 60 second

2309
01:45:19,630 --> 01:45:15,320
news cycle that UFOs ET visitation and

2310
01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:19,640
extraterrestrial life will become passé

2311
01:45:26,540 --> 01:45:23,520
that will move past the subject and

2312
01:45:29,810 --> 01:45:26,550
people will actually lose interest like

2313
01:45:33,770 --> 01:45:29,820
they lose interest in everything the

2314
01:45:34,910 --> 01:45:33,780
next day is you know it's like be

2315
01:45:37,540 --> 01:45:34,920
careful what you wish for

2316
01:45:41,870 --> 01:45:37,550
right we have it out front right now

2317
01:45:45,290 --> 01:45:41,880
what if it's too much too quickly and

2318
01:45:48,110 --> 01:45:45,300
and the world just moves past it yeah

2319
01:45:53,540 --> 01:45:48,120
we're not alone so what you know what I

2320
01:45:55,100 --> 01:45:53,550
mean I think that I I don't think that

2321
01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:55,110
will happen and here's why I think that

2322
01:46:01,100 --> 01:45:58,320
ever since human beings have had self

2323
01:46:03,470 --> 01:46:01,110
awareness from that very moment we had

2324
01:46:05,780 --> 01:46:03,480
self awareness I think we asked three

2325
01:46:08,150 --> 01:46:05,790
questions all human beings asked them

2326
01:46:10,670 --> 01:46:08,160
and one of them is are we alone in the

2327
01:46:13,610 --> 01:46:10,680
universe mm-hmm the second is there a

2328
01:46:15,710 --> 01:46:13,620
god what happens after we die and what

2329
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:15,720
happens when we die right and and those

2330
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:18,570
questions will always be as long as we

2331
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:20,610
have self-awareness those will be

2332
01:46:25,370 --> 01:46:22,560
critical to three critical questions

2333
01:46:27,650 --> 01:46:25,380
human beings always ask but they've

2334
01:46:29,330 --> 01:46:27,660
never been answered I'll give you

2335
01:46:31,010 --> 01:46:29,340
another example you know what I'm gonna

2336
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:31,020
ask both of you right now I'm looking at

2337
01:46:35,690 --> 01:46:33,330
the clock I'm not ready to end this

2338
01:46:38,420 --> 01:46:35,700
conversation you guys want to hang after

2339
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:38,430
the break and we'll do some overtime she

2340
01:46:45,980 --> 01:46:40,320
awesome okay all right so then let me

2341
01:46:49,900 --> 01:46:45,990
just say this the moon right we went off

2342
01:46:52,130 --> 01:46:49,910
planet man we went to the moon

2343
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:52,140
extraordinary the most biggest event in

2344
01:46:57,950 --> 01:46:53,130
the end from

2345
01:46:59,230 --> 01:46:57,960
mankind right right we can say that we

2346
01:47:06,770 --> 01:46:59,240
lost interest

2347
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:06,780
yesterday's news and that's what I'm

2348
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:08,880
afraid of here we've got finally gotten

2349
01:47:13,490 --> 01:47:11,010
it out front and the media talking about

2350
01:47:17,660 --> 01:47:13,500
it what happens if we just become

2351
01:47:20,750 --> 01:47:17,670
yesterday's news I don't think that can

2352
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:20,760
happen and and I think the reason why is

2353
01:47:25,970 --> 01:47:23,250
it's not just okay in my my thought

2354
01:47:31,670 --> 01:47:25,980
process to that would be is that we have

2355
01:47:34,670 --> 01:47:31,680
a tendency to think linearly so to get

2356
01:47:38,420 --> 01:47:34,680
from point A to point B is a direct line

2357
01:47:40,730 --> 01:47:38,430
so we look at going from earth to the

2358
01:47:43,700 --> 01:47:40,740
moon as something that is a process that

2359
01:47:45,470 --> 01:47:43,710
requires us to travel in a you know in a

2360
01:47:46,940 --> 01:47:45,480
direct line or in a sine wave which is

2361
01:47:49,790 --> 01:47:46,950
ultimately what it winds up being but

2362
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:49,800
anyway sure it's a it you know you're

2363
01:47:55,550 --> 01:47:52,050
going from A to B in the most convenient

2364
01:47:59,180 --> 01:47:55,560
way possible which is straight well what

2365
01:48:02,090 --> 01:47:59,190
if physics that we're not I shouldn't

2366
01:48:03,890 --> 01:48:02,100
say that hasn't been explored yet has

2367
01:48:06,230 --> 01:48:03,900
been explored and has been explored

2368
01:48:08,540 --> 01:48:06,240
probably for close to a hundred years

2369
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:08,550
it's an alternative physics where there

2370
01:48:14,060 --> 01:48:11,370
is the ability to bend space and time so

2371
01:48:17,540 --> 01:48:14,070
we're not where we evolved from

2372
01:48:19,670 --> 01:48:17,550
Newtonian to Einstein physics and what

2373
01:48:20,540 --> 01:48:19,680
if we're going to in our lifetime that

2374
01:48:24,830 --> 01:48:20,550
would be awesome

2375
01:48:26,540 --> 01:48:24,840
we expand that process to the next level

2376
01:48:29,450 --> 01:48:26,550
of physics a different understanding

2377
01:48:31,010 --> 01:48:29,460
that we don't necessarily comprehend all

2378
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:31,020
the details but the work is being done

2379
01:48:38,210 --> 01:48:33,930
so if that exists and that breakthrough

2380
01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:38,220
happens it's a whole different reality

2381
01:48:41,930 --> 01:48:39,840
it's a well that's like wow I didn't

2382
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:41,940
know that it was possible to go from you

2383
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:43,530
know you know it's that whole idea like

2384
01:48:48,620 --> 01:48:46,290
say you draw draw a line on a piece of

2385
01:48:50,180 --> 01:48:48,630
paper and it you know take a eight and a

2386
01:48:51,890 --> 01:48:50,190
half by eleven sheet of paper and turn

2387
01:48:54,170 --> 01:48:51,900
it landscape size so that you have the

2388
01:48:55,790 --> 01:48:54,180
11 inches draw a point from one end to

2389
01:48:57,580 --> 01:48:55,800
the other and it's like well that's a

2390
01:49:01,070 --> 01:48:57,590
long distance measure it with a ruler

2391
01:49:02,630 --> 01:49:01,080
okay so it's an 11 inch journey well

2392
01:49:04,470 --> 01:49:02,640
what if you bend the paper so the two

2393
01:49:07,650 --> 01:49:04,480
points touch each other

2394
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:07,660
it's instantaneous travel what if that

2395
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:11,170
exists I think we're close too

2396
01:49:17,729 --> 01:49:14,130
especially from the physics side of

2397
01:49:20,220 --> 01:49:17,739
understanding that in that the math the

2398
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:20,230
math actually works now it's a whole

2399
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:24,250
nother thing to turn that into a

2400
01:49:29,310 --> 01:49:27,250
testable you know laboratory setting

2401
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:29,320
where we should turn that into a reality

2402
01:49:33,870 --> 01:49:31,810
but certainly the math says that that is

2403
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:33,880
possible I totally get a start there

2404
01:49:38,130 --> 01:49:36,370
first yeah absolutely let's take a break

2405
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:38,140
let's get into some overtime this is

2406
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:40,210
fade to black our guest tonight director

2407
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:42,400
John sample and writer Jack Roth of the

2408
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:45,280
film extraordinary the seating I am

2409
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:46,719
arrows Jimmy church this is fade to

2410
01:49:50,130 --> 01:49:48,610
black that's it let's do some overtime

2411
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:50,140
we'll continue the conversation right

2412
01:50:04,540 --> 01:49:52,530
after this short break stay with us

2413
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:08,570
welcome back I am your host Amy church

2414
01:50:12,890 --> 01:50:10,489
this is fade to black

2415
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:12,900
tonight we've been discussing the film

2416
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:14,730
extraordinary the seating it is

2417
01:50:18,410 --> 01:50:16,770
releasing on September 3rd

2418
01:50:20,959 --> 01:50:18,420
we have director Joe simple and Jack

2419
01:50:23,390 --> 01:50:20,969
Roth the writer of the film here we're

2420
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:23,400
going into some overtime and where can

2421
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:25,410
everybody check out the trailer for the

2422
01:50:30,620 --> 01:50:28,320
film before the release the best place

2423
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:30,630
to see it to get additional information

2424
01:50:34,910 --> 01:50:31,650
on the film as well as that

2425
01:50:38,900 --> 01:50:34,920
extraordinary the seating comm trailers

2426
01:50:40,820 --> 01:50:38,910
on there there's also a music video and

2427
01:50:43,370 --> 01:50:40,830
I want to give a shout out to my son who

2428
01:50:44,900 --> 01:50:43,380
wrote the song that is the single

2429
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:44,910
release from the film wrote and

2430
01:50:47,870 --> 01:50:46,290
performed the song that is in the

2431
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:47,880
closing credits and there's a music

2432
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:50,730
video for that definitely want people to

2433
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:52,560
check both of those out the trailer the

2434
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:55,199
song but also have a chance to see a

2435
01:51:01,459 --> 01:50:57,360
little bit of synopsis of the film as

2436
01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:01,469
well as the the different Awards the

2437
01:51:07,010 --> 01:51:03,360
film is one so we've we've been

2438
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:07,020
nominated or nominated selected into 15

2439
01:51:10,010 --> 01:51:08,370
different film festivals and we've

2440
01:51:12,650 --> 01:51:10,020
earned awards and four different

2441
01:51:15,229 --> 01:51:12,660
festivals including two best documentary

2442
01:51:16,700 --> 01:51:15,239
films so we're pretty proud and we

2443
01:51:19,700 --> 01:51:16,710
really would love for people to go and

2444
01:51:22,220 --> 01:51:19,710
check that page out and watch the

2445
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:22,230
trailer and you can even pre-order the

2446
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:25,650
film on Vimeo heading into the release

2447
01:51:33,310 --> 01:51:28,610
on the 3rd now I wanted to ask you guys

2448
01:51:38,060 --> 01:51:33,320
I'm not both of your reactions on this

2449
01:51:41,959 --> 01:51:38,070
here we have this huge crest this wave

2450
01:51:44,540 --> 01:51:41,969
of UFOs in the media and and what is

2451
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:44,550
going on of course with television 2 as

2452
01:51:51,290 --> 01:51:49,530
well and in programs like this but with

2453
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:51,300
all of this happening at the same time

2454
01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:54,239
the release of your film so many films

2455
01:51:59,090 --> 01:51:56,850
from the orchard and 1091 over the last

2456
01:52:01,700 --> 01:51:59,100
year too as well so we have all of this

2457
01:52:04,070 --> 01:52:01,710
right it's it's like overwhelming and

2458
01:52:07,340 --> 01:52:04,080
the last thing you would expect is

2459
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:07,350
something like the storm area51 event

2460
01:52:14,570 --> 01:52:10,800
where we're and the reason why I am

2461
01:52:15,149 --> 01:52:14,580
bringing this up is that the interest

2462
01:52:18,020 --> 01:52:15,159
from

2463
01:52:21,540 --> 01:52:18,030
general public in this subject is

2464
01:52:24,419 --> 01:52:21,550
tangible it's not fake it's real and

2465
01:52:26,100 --> 01:52:24,429
then to just kind of prove the point

2466
01:52:29,609 --> 01:52:26,110
where something comes along like that

2467
01:52:33,409 --> 01:52:29,619
area 51 of the storm area 51 event where

2468
01:52:37,379 --> 01:52:33,419
you have over two million people there

2469
01:52:40,649 --> 01:52:37,389
some of them maybe clicking just because

2470
01:52:43,199 --> 01:52:40,659
they think it's funny but when you have

2471
01:52:45,689 --> 01:52:43,209
two million people the slice of the pie

2472
01:52:47,580 --> 01:52:45,699
that is taking this subject very serious

2473
01:52:50,310 --> 01:52:47,590
is something that is grabbing

2474
01:52:52,350 --> 01:52:50,320
everybody's attention isn't it this this

2475
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:52,360
is a subject on this planet right now

2476
01:52:58,199 --> 01:52:56,650
that is being talked about ya know it

2477
01:53:00,689 --> 01:52:58,209
might be the kind of thing there's a

2478
01:53:10,109 --> 01:53:00,699
penalty throw the penalty yeah first

2479
01:53:12,959 --> 01:53:10,119
time first time you were first actually

2480
01:53:16,939 --> 01:53:12,969
okay I lost my train of thought but okay

2481
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:16,949
no right so no I think that it's the

2482
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:19,570
there's I we might be reaching that

2483
01:53:25,469 --> 01:53:21,360
critical mass that we always talk about

2484
01:53:28,500 --> 01:53:25,479
that tipping point of finally enough

2485
01:53:31,379 --> 01:53:28,510
people are paying attention and they're

2486
01:53:33,359 --> 01:53:31,389
willing to open their minds and and and

2487
01:53:38,459 --> 01:53:33,369
consider the possibilities where things

2488
01:53:41,100 --> 01:53:38,469
might actually change I the area 51

2489
01:53:43,919 --> 01:53:41,110
thing is is really interesting and it's

2490
01:53:45,209 --> 01:53:43,929
also theater right I mean I know there

2491
01:53:48,750 --> 01:53:45,219
are certain people out there who were

2492
01:53:50,339 --> 01:53:48,760
are waiting to see who's gonna get shot

2493
01:53:52,259 --> 01:53:50,349
when that happens I mean there are

2494
01:53:54,209 --> 01:53:52,269
people like that and unfortunately I

2495
01:53:56,129 --> 01:53:54,219
don't know if that's gonna end very well

2496
01:53:59,069 --> 01:53:56,139
but the one good thing is that it's

2497
01:54:02,040 --> 01:53:59,079
drawing attention to the subject and

2498
01:54:04,439 --> 01:54:02,050
people are people are interested and

2499
01:54:06,179 --> 01:54:04,449
yeah we have to gauge that and and if

2500
01:54:09,060 --> 01:54:06,189
and if the if the government and our

2501
01:54:11,250 --> 01:54:09,070
military if they're putting feelers out

2502
01:54:12,629 --> 01:54:11,260
there this could be one of those things

2503
01:54:15,899 --> 01:54:12,639
where they say whoa wait a minute hold

2504
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:15,909
on a second we might have a certain an

2505
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:18,489
enormous amount of people at area 51

2506
01:54:24,330 --> 01:54:21,610
soon and I'm not going to say they might

2507
01:54:25,919 --> 01:54:24,340
not storm the gates but even if they're

2508
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:25,929
all out there and it turns into a

2509
01:54:30,300 --> 01:54:28,960
Woodstock you know I mean that's

2510
01:54:32,220 --> 01:54:30,310
you know hey that's you know it's

2511
01:54:34,350 --> 01:54:32,230
drawing it's there's attention being

2512
01:54:36,900 --> 01:54:34,360
given to it so it's something that has

2513
01:54:38,910 --> 01:54:36,910
to be considered for sure and John what

2514
01:54:41,190 --> 01:54:38,920
do you think is ultimately going on two

2515
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:41,200
million people right and another three

2516
01:54:49,740 --> 01:54:45,610
million like RSVP'd I said maybe that's

2517
01:54:52,970 --> 01:54:49,750
that four to five million people

2518
01:54:57,090 --> 01:54:52,980
responded to that page that that's a

2519
01:54:58,530 --> 01:54:57,100
ginormous by any standard yeah I think

2520
01:55:04,110 --> 01:54:58,540
the you know it's one of those things

2521
01:55:06,540 --> 01:55:04,120
where depending on how it plays out it

2522
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:06,550
whether it's good or bad you know I

2523
01:55:10,380 --> 01:55:08,770
assume it's gonna be mostly positive I

2524
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:10,390
think it's gonna be more of a logistical

2525
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:12,730
nightmare than anything I don't think

2526
01:55:16,380 --> 01:55:15,130
it's going to be fire festival awful but

2527
01:55:18,510 --> 01:55:16,390
I think there's going to be a lot of

2528
01:55:21,930 --> 01:55:18,520
problems with infrastructure there's no

2529
01:55:24,300 --> 01:55:21,940
gas stations there's no food and water

2530
01:55:25,860 --> 01:55:24,310
out in those areas so anybody that I

2531
01:55:27,510 --> 01:55:25,870
mean I think a lot of people want to

2532
01:55:30,390 --> 01:55:27,520
make a buck are gonna go out there with

2533
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:30,400
truckloads of goods to make sure that

2534
01:55:34,620 --> 01:55:32,320
the people are hydrated and fed and

2535
01:55:36,660 --> 01:55:34,630
taken care of so there's there's you

2536
01:55:39,180 --> 01:55:36,670
know but really ultimately what it does

2537
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:39,190
is it bring something that has been

2538
01:55:47,910 --> 01:55:44,850
mostly a fringe subject into a bigger

2539
01:55:49,620 --> 01:55:47,920
audience drives it to a bigger audience

2540
01:55:51,630 --> 01:55:49,630
and like Jack said there's going to be a

2541
01:55:53,670 --> 01:55:51,640
lot of people waiting to see how how it

2542
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:53,680
goes bad and that's what they're going

2543
01:55:56,970 --> 01:55:54,880
to be like let you know look at all the

2544
01:55:58,320 --> 01:55:56,980
Looney Tunes out there and unfortunately

2545
01:56:00,420 --> 01:55:58,330
there's going to be a lot of theater

2546
01:56:02,130 --> 01:56:00,430
there and I think that you know me

2547
01:56:04,470 --> 01:56:02,140
personally I'm not a big fan of the

2548
01:56:06,090 --> 01:56:04,480
dressing up as you know aliens and

2549
01:56:07,590 --> 01:56:06,100
parading around because I think that the

2550
01:56:10,500 --> 01:56:07,600
means it a little bit just reminds me of

2551
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:10,510
the scene in contact the movie where you

2552
01:56:13,590 --> 01:56:11,770
know there's this thing out in the

2553
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:13,600
desert and everybody goes you know it's

2554
01:56:18,870 --> 01:56:16,210
a little bit crazy over the top but it's

2555
01:56:20,430 --> 01:56:18,880
still regardless of what ever happens

2556
01:56:22,650 --> 01:56:20,440
it's bringing attention to something

2557
01:56:25,710 --> 01:56:22,660
that has never gotten this level of

2558
01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:25,720
publicity ever before that's a good

2559
01:56:36,750 --> 01:56:29,650
thing the the wave that is happening

2560
01:56:39,180 --> 01:56:36,760
right now the the the media stop

2561
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:39,190
laughing right that's that's the thing

2562
01:56:42,620 --> 01:56:40,930
that shocked me the most the media

2563
01:56:45,050 --> 01:56:42,630
stopped laughing

2564
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:45,060
we don't want them to start laughing

2565
01:56:51,650 --> 01:56:49,250
again and that's where the storm area51

2566
01:56:53,870 --> 01:56:51,660
event with just when we were starting to

2567
01:56:57,170 --> 01:56:53,880
get some street cred right for this

2568
01:57:01,490 --> 01:56:57,180
community this comes along and it feels

2569
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:01,500
like it's an opportunity for us to to go

2570
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:05,850
backwards instead of forwards yeah I

2571
01:57:11,390 --> 01:57:08,130
could see that that's a big negative for

2572
01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:11,400
sure if it goes sideways if it becomes

2573
01:57:16,550 --> 01:57:13,650
too much of the you know the

2574
01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:16,560
over-the-top theater or if there's you

2575
01:57:22,490 --> 01:57:19,410
know a half a dozen you know Humvees

2576
01:57:25,660 --> 01:57:22,500
that try to break through you know the

2577
01:57:28,700 --> 01:57:25,670
the doors or the fences and and you know

2578
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:28,710
it the government will be on high alert

2579
01:57:32,870 --> 01:57:30,690
there's no doubt about that there will

2580
01:57:36,020 --> 01:57:32,880
be a presence there I don't think it's

2581
01:57:38,420 --> 01:57:36,030
going to be a it'll just be a caution

2582
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:38,430
but I think the the local municipalities

2583
01:57:42,710 --> 01:57:39,810
the county there they've already

2584
01:57:45,950 --> 01:57:42,720
declared a state of emergency and it's

2585
01:57:48,140 --> 01:57:45,960
over them you know a month away so you

2586
01:57:49,670 --> 01:57:48,150
know when you're you're when you think

2587
01:57:51,740 --> 01:57:49,680
about it from that point of view I think

2588
01:57:54,980 --> 01:57:51,750
they're the stories that could come out

2589
01:57:56,810 --> 01:57:54,990
of it may have nothing to do with the

2590
01:57:59,510 --> 01:57:56,820
subject matter which that would be

2591
01:58:01,870 --> 01:57:59,520
unfortunate well I know I'm gonna ask

2592
01:58:04,160 --> 01:58:01,880
you the questions kind of like your film

2593
01:58:05,870 --> 01:58:04,170
you know I'm gonna ask you the question

2594
01:58:07,850 --> 01:58:05,880
that everybody's thinking about but

2595
01:58:13,510 --> 01:58:07,860
nobody will address and I will certainly

2596
01:58:17,690 --> 01:58:13,520
do it and the do you think that our

2597
01:58:21,170 --> 01:58:17,700
government on American soil not overseas

2598
01:58:26,330 --> 01:58:21,180
I'm talking about in the state of Nevada

2599
01:58:29,930 --> 01:58:26,340
would actually shoot upon American

2600
01:58:33,830 --> 01:58:29,940
citizens right that's that that's the

2601
01:58:36,110 --> 01:58:33,840
real question here that's that that is

2602
01:58:38,030 --> 01:58:36,120
the question you know what I mean that's

2603
01:58:40,190 --> 01:58:38,040
that's let's let's forget about

2604
01:58:44,300 --> 01:58:40,200
everything else porta-potties and water

2605
01:58:47,540 --> 01:58:44,310
or one thing but would our government if

2606
01:58:50,390 --> 01:58:47,550
if if there's 10,000 people outside of

2607
01:58:54,410 --> 01:58:50,400
that gate they start pushing would they

2608
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:54,420
would they fire upon American citizens I

2609
01:58:59,060 --> 01:58:56,400
think the answer to that is

2610
01:59:01,880 --> 01:58:59,070
yes you know this happens during when

2611
01:59:05,510 --> 01:59:01,890
people are marching and you know riding

2612
01:59:07,850 --> 01:59:05,520
and whatnot they have to be geared up

2613
01:59:09,430 --> 01:59:07,860
for that and it's just the way the way

2614
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:09,440
it is I mean they you know it is a

2615
01:59:14,930 --> 01:59:13,530
secret it's a military base no one's

2616
01:59:16,220 --> 01:59:14,940
supposed to be on it but yeah I do I

2617
01:59:19,130 --> 01:59:16,230
believe that I think that they will

2618
01:59:21,740 --> 01:59:19,140
absolutely we've seen it happen we've

2619
01:59:25,700 --> 01:59:21,750
seen it happen over the past you know

2620
01:59:27,470 --> 01:59:25,710
ten years we've seen certain incidents

2621
01:59:29,630 --> 01:59:27,480
where there's a peaceful demonstration

2622
01:59:31,700 --> 01:59:29,640
that turns ugly and that's a peaceful

2623
01:59:33,680 --> 01:59:31,710
demonstration that's not on a top-secret

2624
01:59:36,709 --> 01:59:33,690
military base where there might be a UFO

2625
01:59:38,780 --> 01:59:36,719
underground or in an airplane hangar so

2626
01:59:40,669 --> 01:59:38,790
they have to be really careful they I

2627
01:59:42,979 --> 01:59:40,679
would imagine that the government the

2628
01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:42,989
military is really skittish about this

2629
01:59:45,740 --> 01:59:44,250
right now

2630
01:59:47,990 --> 01:59:45,750
because I think this is something that

2631
01:59:49,430 --> 01:59:48,000
if it was originally a hoax and it and

2632
01:59:52,070 --> 01:59:49,440
that all of a sudden now it's it's

2633
01:59:53,899 --> 01:59:52,080
gained momentum and they have to be

2634
01:59:55,790 --> 01:59:53,909
asking these questions I guarantee you

2635
01:59:58,010 --> 01:59:55,800
they're in a room right now they're in a

2636
02:00:01,130 --> 01:59:58,020
war room say asking the same because

2637
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:01,140
what do we do if they storm the gates do

2638
02:00:08,120 --> 02:00:04,850
we shoot do we actually fire on people

2639
02:00:09,740 --> 02:00:08,130
can you can you imagine the backlash

2640
02:00:11,120 --> 02:00:09,750
John I want you to answer the same

2641
02:00:14,060 --> 02:00:11,130
question by the way but could you

2642
02:00:16,010 --> 02:00:14,070
imagine you know with all of the media

2643
02:00:18,850 --> 02:00:16,020
that's gonna be out there live on

2644
02:00:22,280 --> 02:00:18,860
television all the Facebook and YouTube

2645
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:22,290
periscope live streaming that is going

2646
02:00:29,209 --> 02:00:25,050
to be going on that some

2647
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:29,219
fifteen-year-old kids you know are shot

2648
02:00:38,149 --> 02:00:33,570
in the desert I'd I don't know if I want

2649
02:00:40,729 --> 02:00:38,159
to I don't know John what do you think

2650
02:00:47,689 --> 02:00:40,739
do you think our government would shoot

2651
02:00:49,970 --> 02:00:47,699
into a crowd I think they'd be stocking

2652
02:00:52,910 --> 02:00:49,980
up on rubber bullets and a lot of tear

2653
02:00:55,220 --> 02:00:52,920
gas being bad I think yeah bean bag

2654
02:00:59,090 --> 02:00:55,230
stuff so anything that they can do to

2655
02:01:02,330 --> 02:00:59,100
avoid casualties you know beyond some

2656
02:01:03,620 --> 02:01:02,340
bruises and some you know people getting

2657
02:01:05,689 --> 02:01:03,630
a wind knocked out of them

2658
02:01:08,390 --> 02:01:05,699
I think they'll try to avoid that at all

2659
02:01:10,399 --> 02:01:08,400
cost but also be justified in the event

2660
02:01:13,370 --> 02:01:10,409
that people do something

2661
02:01:15,020 --> 02:01:13,380
ridiculous you know and I think most of

2662
02:01:17,870 --> 02:01:15,030
the people that are going or going for

2663
02:01:19,700 --> 02:01:17,880
the you know it's like it's it's it is

2664
02:01:20,959 --> 02:01:19,710
like a Woodstock it's never happened

2665
02:01:23,709 --> 02:01:20,969
before I want to be there when it

2666
02:01:27,979 --> 02:01:23,719
happens to see you go are you gonna go

2667
02:01:28,729 --> 02:01:27,989
I'll be I'll be in Peru so I won't be

2668
02:01:32,660 --> 02:01:28,739
able to make it

2669
02:01:34,879 --> 02:01:32,670
I'll get you I survived storm area 51

2670
02:01:37,580 --> 02:01:34,889
t-shirt well I know a lot of people are

2671
02:01:39,439 --> 02:01:37,590
gonna definitely monopolize and make

2672
02:01:44,419 --> 02:01:39,449
money off of this event but you know I

2673
02:01:46,640 --> 02:01:44,429
think Mical to it there is a huge fun

2674
02:01:50,149 --> 02:01:46,650
element to it there is a lot of

2675
02:01:51,979 --> 02:01:50,159
seriousness to it by you know the

2676
02:01:54,860 --> 02:01:51,989
organizers originally and I know Joe

2677
02:01:56,990 --> 02:01:54,870
Rogan kicked this all off and and kind

2678
02:01:59,330 --> 02:01:57,000
of got it you know the conversation

2679
02:02:02,260 --> 02:01:59,340
started and people you know took it and

2680
02:02:04,729 --> 02:02:02,270
ran with it and I think maybe you know

2681
02:02:05,300 --> 02:02:04,739
what's going to be the Jimmy Church

2682
02:02:07,700 --> 02:02:05,310
event

2683
02:02:10,399 --> 02:02:07,710
what's your catalyst moment that's going

2684
02:02:12,439 --> 02:02:10,409
to get people to to you know is it is it

2685
02:02:17,629 --> 02:02:12,449
something I mean that to me it's going

2686
02:02:19,790 --> 02:02:17,639
to take people in the media willing to

2687
02:02:22,280 --> 02:02:19,800
risk telling stories willing to

2688
02:02:25,790 --> 02:02:22,290
challenge the public to raise their

2689
02:02:28,879 --> 02:02:25,800
their awareness to you know do some

2690
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:28,889
research to challenge the the paradigms

2691
02:02:33,680 --> 02:02:30,690
that we've been programmed to believe

2692
02:02:35,450 --> 02:02:33,690
those are the things I think that that

2693
02:02:38,990 --> 02:02:35,460
are gonna be it's not going to come from

2694
02:02:40,879 --> 02:02:39,000
someone you know going to area 51 or

2695
02:02:42,229 --> 02:02:40,889
Dulce on their own and trying to climb a

2696
02:02:44,629 --> 02:02:42,239
fence that's not going to do anything

2697
02:02:46,490 --> 02:02:44,639
you know having events like this where

2698
02:02:49,220 --> 02:02:46,500
it creates an opportunity for awareness

2699
02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:49,230
you know it could be a good thing but I

2700
02:02:55,100 --> 02:02:51,810
would also you know say that if there is

2701
02:02:59,180 --> 02:02:55,110
a strong presence to storm the gates and

2702
02:03:04,250 --> 02:02:59,190
the military does respond in a way that

2703
02:03:05,959 --> 02:03:04,260
is is horrific that will send a very

2704
02:03:10,040 --> 02:03:05,969
strong message that there's something

2705
02:03:12,709 --> 02:03:10,050
being hidden there a good backfire

2706
02:03:16,399 --> 02:03:12,719
you're absolutely right and this is the

2707
02:03:18,500 --> 02:03:16,409
okay this is I wish for two things this

2708
02:03:21,390 --> 02:03:18,510
is my predictions all right not my

2709
02:03:24,270 --> 02:03:21,400
pretty these are my two wants I think

2710
02:03:27,709 --> 02:03:24,280
and I said this probably five or six

2711
02:03:32,700 --> 02:03:27,719
years ago I think we should do a

2712
02:03:36,169 --> 02:03:32,710
million-person disclosure walk right up

2713
02:03:38,939 --> 02:03:36,179
the the the the Washington Memorial

2714
02:03:42,140 --> 02:03:38,949
right up it and and and do that in

2715
02:03:46,770 --> 02:03:42,150
Washington and do a nice visible

2716
02:03:49,439 --> 02:03:46,780
disclosure slash exposure type of event

2717
02:03:52,550 --> 02:03:49,449
I think that's what we should do and and

2718
02:03:55,229 --> 02:03:52,560
certainly the interest in storm area51

2719
02:03:56,820 --> 02:03:55,239
indicates to me that we should have done

2720
02:03:57,930 --> 02:03:56,830
this a long time ago when I first talked

2721
02:04:01,380 --> 02:03:57,940
about it that's number one

2722
02:04:04,140 --> 02:04:01,390
my and by number two is and I know that

2723
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:04,150
all of the agencies listen to this show

2724
02:04:10,020 --> 02:04:07,050
right there listening right now

2725
02:04:14,550 --> 02:04:10,030
listening to you too and so my message

2726
02:04:17,070 --> 02:04:14,560
to them would be this at the gates if it

2727
02:04:19,950 --> 02:04:17,080
actually happens at the at the back gate

2728
02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:19,960
or the front gate of area 51 where you

2729
02:04:25,050 --> 02:04:23,290
have four or five ten thousand people

2730
02:04:26,970 --> 02:04:25,060
show up or more could be my I don't know

2731
02:04:29,700 --> 02:04:26,980
I don't know it could be five hundred is

2732
02:04:34,890 --> 02:04:29,710
open up the gates bring up a couple of

2733
02:04:37,399 --> 02:04:34,900
buses invite a couple a hundred to jump

2734
02:04:40,340 --> 02:04:37,409
on the bus and take them onto the base

2735
02:04:46,530 --> 02:04:40,350
take them onto the base show them around

2736
02:04:49,439 --> 02:04:46,540
the good stuff is hidden that's what I

2737
02:04:55,140 --> 02:04:49,449
would do and then the rest I'd bring in

2738
02:04:59,669 --> 02:04:55,150
dominoes and some in-and-out burger taco

2739
02:05:03,870 --> 02:04:59,679
trucks and feed everybody and and and

2740
02:05:07,110 --> 02:05:03,880
and kumbaya that's what I will that's

2741
02:05:10,410 --> 02:05:07,120
what I would do I wouldn't try to get

2742
02:05:12,810 --> 02:05:10,420
into an adversarial position because a

2743
02:05:14,220 --> 02:05:12,820
crowd is a crowd and if they want to

2744
02:05:16,890 --> 02:05:14,230
push through that gate there's not a

2745
02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:16,900
whole lot to push through there there's

2746
02:05:20,220 --> 02:05:18,850
not there's nothing you just walk or

2747
02:05:22,110 --> 02:05:20,230
they couldn't take through won't take

2748
02:05:24,780 --> 02:05:22,120
much now is that many people there to

2749
02:05:27,060 --> 02:05:24,790
push down a game so that's what that's

2750
02:05:29,250 --> 02:05:27,070
what I like your first point and I think

2751
02:05:31,919 --> 02:05:29,260
somebody listening tonight should get

2752
02:05:33,780 --> 02:05:31,929
that petition under way it'll take off

2753
02:05:34,559 --> 02:05:33,790
it'll get a life of its own and back

2754
02:05:37,709 --> 02:05:34,569
that back

2755
02:05:40,439 --> 02:05:37,719
got the event at area 51 with the march

2756
02:05:42,809 --> 02:05:40,449
on Washington later this year or early

2757
02:05:44,189 --> 02:05:42,819
next year and and we keep keep the

2758
02:05:46,679 --> 02:05:44,199
conversation going

2759
02:05:48,539 --> 02:05:46,689
yeah I like it yeah I think that's I

2760
02:05:51,959 --> 02:05:48,549
think that's the game changer you know

2761
02:05:53,939 --> 02:05:51,969
we can't wait right now either

2762
02:05:55,169 --> 02:05:53,949
I hate to say it right strike while the

2763
02:05:58,489 --> 02:05:55,179
iron is hot

2764
02:06:01,109 --> 02:05:58,499
but wait it's a has - I completely agree

2765
02:06:04,319 --> 02:06:01,119
we're right there we're right there and

2766
02:06:09,029 --> 02:06:04,329
and the the media and the ability today

2767
02:06:13,319 --> 02:06:09,039
this is what was so wonderful about the

2768
02:06:15,869 --> 02:06:13,329
different peaceful government changes

2769
02:06:18,059 --> 02:06:15,879
that have gone down in the last few

2770
02:06:20,729 --> 02:06:18,069
years certainly look what happened in

2771
02:06:26,159 --> 02:06:20,739
Armenia last year that's crazy

2772
02:06:28,229 --> 02:06:26,169
a an actual peaceful overthrow of the

2773
02:06:31,529 --> 02:06:28,239
government right there's a little

2774
02:06:35,819 --> 02:06:31,539
violence but but it is possible to do

2775
02:06:39,629 --> 02:06:35,829
that and why not right now with the

2776
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:39,639
ability to have our own media without

2777
02:06:44,399 --> 02:06:42,010
the mass media live-streaming

2778
02:06:46,739 --> 02:06:44,409
none of the shenanigans can go down

2779
02:06:49,439 --> 02:06:46,749
right you we have the ability to

2780
02:06:51,149 --> 02:06:49,449
document everything in real-time unless

2781
02:06:53,159 --> 02:06:51,159
the government decides to shut down the

2782
02:06:57,359 --> 02:06:53,169
internet when that's not going to happen

2783
02:06:59,099 --> 02:06:57,369
right are you guys with me you know

2784
02:07:01,439 --> 02:06:59,109
absolutely and yet you know what

2785
02:07:03,149 --> 02:07:01,449
something might like this might do - its

2786
02:07:06,179 --> 02:07:03,159
it'll move the needle on the political

2787
02:07:09,539 --> 02:07:06,189
will because right now there the

2788
02:07:11,699 --> 02:07:09,549
political will to find answers isn't

2789
02:07:13,259 --> 02:07:11,709
really there and it's a little bit of it

2790
02:07:14,759 --> 02:07:13,269
but imagine there's there's gonna be

2791
02:07:16,859 --> 02:07:14,769
some congressmen out there who are

2792
02:07:19,319 --> 02:07:16,869
looking at the numbers and they're gonna

2793
02:07:21,659 --> 02:07:19,329
say wow you know a good amount of my

2794
02:07:22,469 --> 02:07:21,669
constituents want to know the answer to

2795
02:07:24,179 --> 02:07:22,479
this mm-hmm

2796
02:07:26,339 --> 02:07:24,189
so I'm gonna I'm gonna get ahead of this

2797
02:07:28,109 --> 02:07:26,349
and I'm gonna be like we want he's gonna

2798
02:07:30,569 --> 02:07:28,119
become the hero he or she is going to

2799
02:07:33,439 --> 02:07:30,579
become the hero so the political will to

2800
02:07:36,839 --> 02:07:33,449
push and get things done and get answers

2801
02:07:39,329 --> 02:07:36,849
that might become more likely to happen

2802
02:07:42,389 --> 02:07:39,339
so that's a good thing well I agree with

2803
02:07:45,210 --> 02:07:42,399
that and let me I see something

2804
02:07:48,620 --> 02:07:45,220
happening here right now in

2805
02:07:52,410 --> 02:07:48,630
that we've got these hearings

2806
02:07:54,810 --> 02:07:52,420
closed-door about UFOs with the Senate

2807
02:07:56,760 --> 02:07:54,820
and Congress certainly the Pentagon is

2808
02:07:58,950 --> 02:07:56,770
talking about it we got president Trump

2809
02:08:02,610 --> 02:07:58,960
mentioned it to a Tucker Carlson and so

2810
02:08:07,830 --> 02:08:02,620
that's a pretty rare thing do you see I

2811
02:08:12,300 --> 02:08:07,840
mean actually see the UFO card becoming

2812
02:08:15,060 --> 02:08:12,310
part of the election in in 2020 where

2813
02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:15,070
this is something that could be part of

2814
02:08:21,830 --> 02:08:18,250
somebody's campaign well Bernie Sanders

2815
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:21,840
wife wants disclosure so that's a start

2816
02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:24,010
you know you never know

2817
02:08:28,830 --> 02:08:25,840
you never know what somebody's I don't

2818
02:08:31,290 --> 02:08:28,840
think that would ever be it's it's not a

2819
02:08:35,130 --> 02:08:31,300
big enough it's not a collective

2820
02:08:37,740 --> 02:08:35,140
consciousness moment yet but I could see

2821
02:08:41,630 --> 02:08:37,750
it down the road you know maybe app you

2822
02:08:45,000 --> 02:08:41,640
know maybe maybe after the event in

2823
02:08:47,250 --> 02:08:45,010
September in your march on Washington

2824
02:08:49,170 --> 02:08:47,260
that will be coming up shortly after

2825
02:08:53,430 --> 02:08:49,180
you've already booked my march on

2826
02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:53,440
Washington se I think those are the type

2827
02:08:57,690 --> 02:08:55,930
of things that kind of someone like Jack

2828
02:08:59,880 --> 02:08:57,700
said is going to catch on to this and

2829
02:09:02,690 --> 02:08:59,890
see there's there's there's a way to

2830
02:09:05,430 --> 02:09:02,700
leverage this into a positive for me and

2831
02:09:08,790 --> 02:09:05,440
and they will and they'll they'll do it

2832
02:09:11,820 --> 02:09:08,800
in a way where you know it turns out

2833
02:09:14,340 --> 02:09:11,830
well for them and and in leveraging that

2834
02:09:15,870 --> 02:09:14,350
moment in time to ride the wave you know

2835
02:09:17,790 --> 02:09:15,880
I really think that there is a chance

2836
02:09:19,230 --> 02:09:17,800
that those type of things good could

2837
02:09:22,740 --> 02:09:19,240
happen I don't know if it's going to

2838
02:09:24,420 --> 02:09:22,750
make it at the presidential level but it

2839
02:09:26,730 --> 02:09:24,430
you know I could definitely see it be

2840
02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:26,740
something that that starts at a at a

2841
02:09:31,020 --> 02:09:28,690
congressional level and at the

2842
02:09:32,790 --> 02:09:31,030
senatorial level and it could be

2843
02:09:36,180 --> 02:09:32,800
something that people latch onto

2844
02:09:39,270 --> 02:09:36,190
definitely locally it will well if we

2845
02:09:43,320 --> 02:09:39,280
brought man I think I've opened up a can

2846
02:09:45,630 --> 02:09:43,330
of worms here but if we brought a crowd

2847
02:09:49,020 --> 02:09:45,640
of ten or fifteen or twenty thousand

2848
02:09:51,810 --> 02:09:49,030
people to the million but the twenty

2849
02:09:55,260 --> 02:09:51,820
thousand to the steps of the Capitol do

2850
02:09:57,890 --> 02:09:55,270
you think that you could get the Senate

2851
02:10:00,680 --> 02:09:57,900
Majority Leader Minority

2852
02:10:04,990 --> 02:10:00,690
to come down the steps and address the

2853
02:10:09,680 --> 02:10:05,000
crowd about UFOs or do they continue to

2854
02:10:11,720 --> 02:10:09,690
deny it and ignore it well I always

2855
02:10:15,620 --> 02:10:11,730
think I think congressmen are in a

2856
02:10:18,649 --> 02:10:15,630
different position than say people maybe

2857
02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:18,659
perhaps in the CIA or the NSA I think

2858
02:10:22,850 --> 02:10:20,610
there a lot of times they're in the dark

2859
02:10:25,189 --> 02:10:22,860
- your your you know your

2860
02:10:28,340 --> 02:10:25,199
run-of-the-mill congressman may not know

2861
02:10:29,780 --> 02:10:28,350
the answers you know and and they might

2862
02:10:32,390 --> 02:10:29,790
be asking the same questions we're

2863
02:10:34,580 --> 02:10:32,400
asking and they might you know that be

2864
02:10:36,439 --> 02:10:34,590
like well why don't you know they say

2865
02:10:39,860 --> 02:10:36,449
only a few presidents even have really

2866
02:10:42,680 --> 02:10:39,870
known the truth about the UFO story and

2867
02:10:43,850 --> 02:10:42,690
George the the George Bush Senior was

2868
02:10:46,520 --> 02:10:43,860
one of them because he was the head of

2869
02:10:49,370 --> 02:10:46,530
the CIA sure so you know so he had that

2870
02:10:52,160 --> 02:10:49,380
access so most congressmen don't have

2871
02:10:54,260 --> 02:10:52,170
that top secret level kind of access to

2872
02:10:56,360 --> 02:10:54,270
that information other they want to know

2873
02:10:57,620 --> 02:10:56,370
I was if I was a congressman I was well

2874
02:11:00,680 --> 02:10:57,630
educated you know you're well educated

2875
02:11:03,500 --> 02:11:00,690
you're you have constituents I would

2876
02:11:05,149 --> 02:11:03,510
want to know I think I think that the

2877
02:11:08,930 --> 02:11:05,159
answer to that is when it starts

2878
02:11:10,610 --> 02:11:08,940
affecting people directly the things

2879
02:11:12,590 --> 02:11:10,620
that are important to people what are

2880
02:11:13,939 --> 02:11:12,600
people vote on they vote on taxes they

2881
02:11:15,530 --> 02:11:13,949
vote on things that direct their

2882
02:11:17,030 --> 02:11:15,540
pocketbook their it affects their

2883
02:11:19,520 --> 02:11:17,040
pocketbook right it affects them

2884
02:11:22,430 --> 02:11:19,530
directly it affects their children's

2885
02:11:26,300 --> 02:11:22,440
education I think it's gonna it's gonna

2886
02:11:29,320 --> 02:11:26,310
take an event but the kind of event that

2887
02:11:31,939 --> 02:11:29,330
all of a sudden is going to make that

2888
02:11:34,430 --> 02:11:31,949
subject and that topic important to

2889
02:11:36,680 --> 02:11:34,440
people now maybe it's a maybe it's a

2890
02:11:38,990 --> 02:11:36,690
global warming thing maybe it's a

2891
02:11:41,330 --> 02:11:39,000
climate change maybe things get to the

2892
02:11:42,830 --> 02:11:41,340
point where things get so bad right and

2893
02:11:45,410 --> 02:11:42,840
there and there and there's the

2894
02:11:47,300 --> 02:11:45,420
suggestion that you know what we may

2895
02:11:50,840 --> 02:11:47,310
have the technology to fix all of this

2896
02:11:52,880 --> 02:11:50,850
tomorrow or we have galactic neighbors

2897
02:11:54,680 --> 02:11:52,890
that could fix this for us tomorrow

2898
02:11:57,680 --> 02:11:54,690
there's something that's going to become

2899
02:12:00,560 --> 02:11:57,690
so critical for us that it's going to

2900
02:12:04,729 --> 02:12:00,570
become the number one issue in a

2901
02:12:09,759 --> 02:12:04,739
presidential campaign storm Langley

2902
02:12:19,509 --> 02:12:14,709
oh but you're gonna hear this show go

2903
02:12:21,910 --> 02:12:19,519
beep beep in just a second but you know

2904
02:12:24,489 --> 02:12:21,920
what the both of you Johnny Jack thank

2905
02:12:29,229 --> 02:12:24,499
you so much the the film is truly

2906
02:12:30,939 --> 02:12:29,239
amazing and on the 3rd we'll make a big

2907
02:12:33,819 --> 02:12:30,949
announcement and push it out in social

2908
02:12:35,649 --> 02:12:33,829
media for you but a lot of work was put

2909
02:12:38,859 --> 02:12:35,659
into that film and you guys are very

2910
02:12:41,109 --> 02:12:38,869
very courageous to go into a zone that

2911
02:12:42,759 --> 02:12:41,119
so many others were afraid to do and I

2912
02:12:44,950 --> 02:12:42,769
want to thank you on the behalf of the

2913
02:12:48,520 --> 02:12:44,960
community for getting this film together

2914
02:12:50,620 --> 02:12:48,530
thank you so much thank you wait you now

2915
02:12:53,919 --> 02:12:50,630
I would like to get to get you guys back

2916
02:12:56,739 --> 02:12:53,929
on the show you're working on a new film

2917
02:12:58,359 --> 02:12:56,749
we can talk about that later but I'm

2918
02:12:59,919 --> 02:12:58,369
really excited about our next

2919
02:13:02,259 --> 02:12:59,929
conversation thank you so much

2920
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Oh got to give Laurie a shout-out thank

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you so much Laurie you're a trouper

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fortress for putting all of this

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together over the last month and there

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we go thank you guys so much

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oh are you guys gone have a great night

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thank you right on Joe John simple and

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Jack Roth now the film extraordinary the

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city it's very simple we have the links

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up in Twitter and over Ejim meters radio

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calm it is extraordinary the seating

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calm where you can go read all about the

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film the backstory and the trailers are

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right there the release is on September

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3rd with that that wraps another amazing

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week here on fade to black we're going

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to head into the weekend on Saturday

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Rita and I will be out at Steve Neal's

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Art Show out in Oxnard and we have the

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links up for that too as well so we hope

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to see all of you there on Saturday

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afternoon and evening where that's where

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we will be with that everybody enjoy

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your weekend and we'll see you here on

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Monday this is fade to black hi I'm

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arrows Jimmy Church very special things

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to John sample and

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I will be seeing all of you on Monday

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church follow me on twitter at j radio

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i'll see you guys on Saturday out at

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Steve Neil's place but I'll also see on